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Old 01-25-2012, 08:11 PM
 
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You need to update your knowledge base a bit. It is even a function of Truecrypt.
TrueCrypt - Free Open-Source On-The-Fly Disk Encryption Software for Windows 7/Vista/XP, Mac OS X and Linux - Hidden Volume
plwhit is clearly not knowledgeable on the topic.

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Yes, and one can use TCHunt to find them....

16 Systems - TCHunt
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Buddy, one can use TCHunt to find them....

16 Systems - TCHunt
phlwhit, It is clear that you haven't a clue what you are talking about. TCHunt will only find container volumes that are masked as other types of files. It is not capable of finding hidden volumes (as they clearly state on the website you linked). There's even a paper that was published on this (I don't recall the author, but I'm pretty sure it's in the ACM library).

Here's the source: http://16s.us/TCHunt/downloads/main.cpp It only looks at file headers.

You aren't doing anyone a service by posting on topics in which you are not familiar with.
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Old 01-25-2012, 09:50 PM
 
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plwhit is clearly not knowledgeable on the topic.

phlwhit, It is clear that you haven't a clue what you are talking about. TCHunt will only find container volumes that are masked as other types of files. It is not capable of finding hidden volumes (as they clearly state on the website you linked). There's even a paper that was published on this (I don't recall the author, but I'm pretty sure it's in the ACM library).

Here's the source: http://16s.us/TCHunt/downloads/main.cpp It only looks at file headers.

You aren't doing anyone a service by posting on topics in which you are not familiar with.
Thank you Mr know-it-all......
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Old 01-25-2012, 10:00 PM
 
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Thank you Mr know-it-all......
That's a high honor. However, I don't know it all. I just know how to read. By READING the resource you provided I determined that it supports my earlier statements as opposed to the point your are trying to make.
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Old 01-25-2012, 10:18 PM
 
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That's a high honor. However, I don't know it all. I just know how to read. By READING the resource you provided I determined that it supports my earlier statements as opposed to the point your are trying to make.
I posted 1 (one) source of many that are available for anyone to peruse on the subject.

Since the topic of the OP was Americans can be forced to decrypt their laptops I didn't want to hijack the thread which it seems you do on a regular basis...
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Old 01-25-2012, 10:28 PM
 
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I posted 1 (one) source of many that are available for anyone to peruse on the subject.

Since the topic of the OP was Americans can be forced to decrypt their laptops I didn't want to hijack the thread which it seems you do on a regular basis...
I posted a valid technical solution to the issue raised by the ruling. What kind of discussion were you looking for in the "computer" forum? A debate as to whether it undermines the constitution?
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Old 01-25-2012, 11:22 PM
 
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That the police can order someone to expose whatever sensitive data is stored on a computer maybe?

That if one refuses to obey their order you will wind up behind bars until you do?

To think the police/FBI/DHS are so stupid as to imagine they don't have tools to expose them?

I'll bet you even think Truecrypt and others like them haven't built in backdoors for law enforcement...
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Old 01-25-2012, 11:26 PM
 
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I'll bet you even think Truecrypt and others like them haven't built in backdoors for law enforcement...
Apparently no one told the FBI.

TrueCrypt Beats FBI Encryption Experts in Money Laundering Case | ITProPortal.com
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Old 01-25-2012, 11:32 PM
 
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The FBI are also not the sharpest tacks in the box....
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Old 01-25-2012, 11:50 PM
 
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Default hidden volumes and truecrypt

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"I'm sorry, sir, but I seem to have forgotten that passphrase. You're welcome to use whatever technology you have at your disposal to execute that warrant."
And also the same container can have both a hidden and normal volumes you can't force me to decrypt any of my volumes even with a gun.
Because even if you find the container you'll never know if there is a hidden volume and the pass phrase I provide will only open the normal volume with the fake data in it. Not the real hidden data.
And yeah the FBI can crack the encryption but not before my grand kids die of old age! (Quantum computing aside)
Back door? It's open source software so a decent code writer would see a back door.
The best way to get at a Truecrypt volume is Trojan the system and wait for the user to mount the volume.
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Old 01-26-2012, 12:01 AM
 
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That the police can order someone to expose whatever sensitive data is stored on a computer maybe?

That if one refuses to obey their order you will wind up behind bars until you do?

To think the police/FBI/DHS are so stupid as to imagine they don't have tools to expose them?

I'll bet you even think Truecrypt and others like them haven't built in backdoors for law enforcement...
Like I said before, law enforcement can only force you to give up the passphrase to the container (as set by precedence in the ruling in the OP). They won't be able to force you to give up the password to the hidden volume since there's no way of them even knowing it exists (until quantum computing becomes a reality). That's the beauty of DFS. Forensic cannot reveal it.

You may think that the police/FBI/DHS is stupid, but I don't. However, I do know that the processing power does not exist today to reveal a hidden volume. As posted by another poster above, they can't even crack the container.

We know for a fact that there are no backdoors in TrueCrypt. You can review the sourcecode here: TrueCrypt - Free Open-Source On-The-Fly Disk Encryption Software for Windows 7/Vista/XP, Mac OS X and Linux - Downloads - Page*2 .
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