U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Science and Technology > Computers
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
 
Old 02-29-2012, 09:25 PM
 
24,503 posts, read 35,965,437 times
Reputation: 12847

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by EscapeCalifornia View Post
This is why I've resisted getting a NAS. I like having all my data local and running at SATA speeds.
That's the one down side of iSCSI. You have to be hardwired to the network to attain good speeds.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 02-29-2012, 10:18 PM
 
11,715 posts, read 36,336,945 times
Reputation: 7514
Quote:
Originally Posted by NJBest View Post
That's the one down side of iSCSI. You have to be hardwired to the network to attain good speeds.
Even then you're still limited to Ethernet speed which as far as I know is about 125MB/sec (GigE, assuming no overhead, LOL) unless you spend some serious bucks.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-01-2012, 12:39 AM
 
24,503 posts, read 35,965,437 times
Reputation: 12847
Quote:
Originally Posted by EscapeCalifornia View Post
Even then you're still limited to Ethernet speed which as far as I know is about 125MB/sec (GigE, assuming no overhead, LOL) unless you spend some serious bucks.
Yea, that's good enough for us. I haven't benchmarked it, but most people get about 110MB/sec through iSCSI and about 90MB/sec through SSH. It's still faster than most single hard drives. If anything faster is required (rarely) I just do it on the SSD.

The unit is load balanced across two GigE ports. So with multiple users you can theoretically get twice as much throughput.

My only other alternative would have been to put 12 hard drives in a desktop.... but then only the one person using that desktop has the speed benefits. Everyone else still has the same limitation.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-01-2012, 08:30 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
11,820 posts, read 13,961,605 times
Reputation: 8055
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiGuy2.5 View Post
I believe that the NUMBER ONE best combination anybody could have is a Desktop + Smart Phone. What can be done on a laptop, can be done on a smartphone. You can view webpages in other rooms, play mobile games, chat with friends, etc all from your phone.

When you want to play some high end games, work CAD software, program, etc, you can use your Desktop.
Disagree, but of course, that's why I started this thread. lol
I don't program or use CAD. Zero need for a desktop here. My laptop plays every "high end game" out there (but would rock CAD or any programming). In fact, my laptop can do anything your desktop can do. And it wasn't THAT expensive.

Quote:
IMO, I dont see the need for a laptop anymore, at least not until they can catch up with Desktops for hardware and price.
That day has come. I paid $1,100 for my laptop. A desktop with similar specs, and a monitor, would (not homemade mind you) cost at least as much. Maybe $100 cheaper. $100. Maybe. So basically I paid an extra hundred to be portable. =WIN Will admit I got a great deal on it.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiGuy2.5 View Post
Gaming is still not ideal with wireless internet. Your pings tend to run a little high. This is why I prefer to use a hardwired connection. No matter what router/setup you have, you will never match a hardwired connection for reliability and ping.
This is also not true either. I used to think that way. I refused to even think about trying wifi. So many years ago when I bought my house, WiFi was so much easier to get all my stuff connected. So I tried it. This is even before N mind you. It worked perfectly on my desktop. Bought a PS3. It worked perfect, never has ANY issues. Now with my N router and my faster connection and my mondo laptop? Can you say BF3 with an average ping to servers of about 30. 30. On Wifi.
You can safely give up the cord, my friend. lol

Last edited by Peregrine; 03-01-2012 at 08:43 AM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-01-2012, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Chicago
3,131 posts, read 5,418,342 times
Reputation: 3648
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peregrine View Post
Disagree, but of course, that's why I started this thread. lol
I don't program or use CAD. Zero need for a desktop here. My laptop plays every "high end game" out there (but would rock CAD or any programming). In fact, my laptop can do anything your desktop can do. And it wasn't THAT expensive.

That day has come. I paid $1,100 for my laptop. A desktop with similar specs, and a monitor, would (not homemade mind you) cost at least as much. Maybe $100 cheaper. $100. Maybe. So basically I paid an extra hundred to be portable. =WIN Will admit I got a great deal on it.

This is also not true either. I used to think that way. I refused to even think about trying wifi. So many years ago when I bought my house, WiFi was so much easier to get all my stuff connected. So I tried it. This is even before N mind you. It worked perfectly on my desktop. Bought a PS3. It worked perfect, never has ANY issues. Now with my N router and my faster connection and my mondo laptop? Can you say BF3 with an average ping to servers of about 30. 30. On Wifi.
You can safely give up the cord, my friend. lol
Your laptop might be able to play the game, but it can't play it on the same high settings are similarly priced desktop would be able to. Also, your laptop MUST be built with a focus on gaming because most laptops, especially the $500 ones that you mentioned earlier, all come with integrated graphics. The highest end desktop is far superior to the highest end laptop.

No way is your laptop only a $100 premium over a similar speced desktop. Either you got a really good deal on your laptop and are comparing it to a bad deal on a desktop, or you are misinformed. Desktops are WAY cheaper. Also, you are forgetting that you dont have to always upgrade the monitor with each new computer. So if you are happy with your current monitor that can last 8+ years, all you need is the tower. Not the case with a laptop. Thats a savings of another $100-$150 right there.

Of course there are plenty of factors that play into a low ping vs. high ping. Things like the length of your ethernet cord, the quality of your router/cord, etc. YOU may have experienced no loss in network connectivity on Wifi vs. Hardwire but many users probably will. For example, I live in Chicago in an old brick building. Trying to get any sort of decently fast Wifi speeds is out of the question. I DO have my PS3 wireless still because there is no available options to run a cord. It works, but I know at times my ping lags like crazy. Any "true" gamer prefers hardwired connections. (if they aren't 100 feet anyway).
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-01-2012, 11:19 AM
 
2,182 posts, read 4,706,348 times
Reputation: 1206
Maybe someone would like to spec out a desktop and a laptop similarly from, say, dell or HP or any other manufacturer, and see what the difference is?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-01-2012, 12:14 PM
 
11,715 posts, read 36,336,945 times
Reputation: 7514
Quote:
Originally Posted by kazyn View Post
Maybe someone would like to spec out a desktop and a laptop similarly from, say, dell or HP or any other manufacturer, and see what the difference is?
That's difficult because even when the specs look the same, you're still comparing desktop vs. mobile CPU, motherboard, and video, and 3.5" vs. 2.5" hard drives.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-01-2012, 12:15 PM
 
11,715 posts, read 36,336,945 times
Reputation: 7514
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChiGuy2.5 View Post
Your laptop might be able to play the game, but it can't play it on the same high settings are similarly priced desktop would be able to. Also, your laptop MUST be built with a focus on gaming because most laptops, especially the $500 ones that you mentioned earlier, all come with integrated graphics. The highest end desktop is far superior to the highest end laptop.
Plus, while his laptop might be able to play any game today, 3 years from now a desktop user could throw another video card in there and keep playing while he's going to need a whole new laptop.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-01-2012, 02:16 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
11,820 posts, read 13,961,605 times
Reputation: 8055
I will reply to this other stuff later, but this:


Quote:
Originally Posted by EscapeCalifornia View Post
Plus, while his laptop might be able to play any game today, 3 years from now a desktop user could throw another video card in there and keep playing while he's going to need a whole new laptop.
I already commented on that. I've done this. I've lived it, brother. I built a top of the line PC so I could play Unreal Tournament. 3-4 years later it was time to upgrade yet again. Do I buy another PCI video card? No. It's never THAT easy. Because now there is this new thing called AGP. So now I need a new mobo. And new RAM. O crap, new power requirements for that AGP card? Need a new PS too!
Let's go another 3-4 years forward. You going to buy a new AGP card? Nope! Now there's PCI-E!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-01-2012, 02:59 PM
 
11,715 posts, read 36,336,945 times
Reputation: 7514
Quote:
Originally Posted by Peregrine View Post
I will reply to this other stuff later, but this:




I already commented on that. I've done this. I've lived it, brother. I built a top of the line PC so I could play Unreal Tournament. 3-4 years later it was time to upgrade yet again. Do I buy another PCI video card? No. It's never THAT easy. Because now there is this new thing called AGP. So now I need a new mobo. And new RAM. O crap, new power requirements for that AGP card? Need a new PS too!
Let's go another 3-4 years forward. You going to buy a new AGP card? Nope! Now there's PCI-E!
You realize they don't stop making video card for one slot type the minute the next one comes along, right? Newegg currently lists 53 PCI and 22 AGP video cards for sale. PCI express has been around long enough now that my last two PCs have had it.

Now if you want the absolute fastest card on Earth for your 3 year old PC and the standard has changed since your computer was built, you'll probably be out of luck. But that doesn't mean you won't have plenty of upgrade choices to get another year or two out of that machine.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Science and Technology > Computers
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6. The time now is 10:49 AM.

© 2005-2019, Advameg, Inc. · Please obey Forum Rules · Terms of Use and Privacy Policy · Bug Bounty

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top