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Old 05-07-2012, 01:18 PM
 
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At least Bob wasn't the OS. Honestly, I can see Win8 being a good tablet OS, just not on the desktop. I really wish they'd simply let users choose whether to use the new start screen or the traditional start menu. I know there's 3rd party software that can do it and there might be a registry hack or GP setting, but most people aren't going to seek those out.
I always used Stardock's Objectdock until Windows 7. I could see it re-emerging as a popular favorite.
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Old 05-07-2012, 01:33 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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If you read this whole thread you will see that I did try the preview on a touch enabled desktop computer.
It sucked.
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Old 05-07-2012, 04:02 PM
 
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Do you mind saying why you think so poorly of W8.
A few of my issues:
  1. It is oriented toward a app/cloud infrastructure, whereas my PC use is oriented toward a program/local file infrastructure.
  2. It assumes heavy use of Microsoft services (e.g., email, messenger) using Microsoft logins.
  3. My family shares a laptop, but we have no need for separate user accounts. If used to its potential the Metro interface is desiged to support a single user/signon.
  4. The primary programs I use do not integrate with the Metro interface so Windows 8 offers no advantage for them (I recognize that 2 of 3 of these are not Microsoft's problem), such as:
    • MS Outlook 2010 for email
    • MS Word, Powerpoint and Excel for document creation and editing
    • Photoshop for photo organizing and editing
    • Firefox for browsing
  5. The presentation of "all programs" is cumbersome relative to the traditional Windows Start button, and does not seem susceptible to user organization in that way that Start menu folders could be manipulated/reorganized in prior Windows versions.
  6. Simple commands like shutdown are buried.
  7. There were hardware incompatabilities with my multifunction printer (HP), integrated fingerprint reader (Dell) and discrete video card (AMD ATI). Windows 7 drivers did not work for the first two, and a Windows 8 driver for the latter did not function.
  8. Closing app windows in the Metro interace (using a "flick") is clunky and difficult to maneuver using a touchpad swipe or mouse gesture. The simple "X" to close is gone.
  9. Various background system utilities frequently generated pop-up errors that "there is no app associated with that command."
The bottom line for me is that Windows 8 seemed to offer me nothing that was an improvement, while it did make other things worse or more difficult (even allowing for the fact that it was a preview version).
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Old 05-08-2012, 12:13 AM
 
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Exactly. Even if my desktop and laptop LCDs were touch enabled, I wouldn't see any need to touch them. A mouse and keyboard is far more efficient and accurate than a finger at the end of an outstretched arm. A touchscreen is a something that only makes sense when the form factor makes a mouse and keyboard impractical. The biggest problem with touch interfaces is that no screen element can be smaller than your finger tip which turns it into a Fisher Price OS.
It depends on the context. Most of the time a touchscreen will be more efficient than a mouse. If precision is more important than speed, then a mouse would be better. A touchscreen beats a touchpad hands down. But a trackpoint and mouse are better in certain contexts.

I'll be trying it out in a few weeks.
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Old 05-08-2012, 08:51 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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One of the inherent problems with a touch screen PC is how close you have to sit to it if you want to use your hands. You have to keep reaching UP to get to it. It's not remotely ergonomic. I think this is what a lot of folks are missing when they talk about touch PC's.
Not mouse versus touch... but COMFORT, period. It is not at all comfortable to keep reaching upwards to your desk to reach your monitor. Trust me when I tell you this.
Got a touch screen 23" monitor for reception.... not one person uses their hands. It's just much more comfortable and you don't have to sit as close to use the keyb/mouse on the tray under the desk.
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Old 05-08-2012, 09:13 AM
 
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One of the inherent problems with a touch screen PC is how close you have to sit to it if you want to use your hands. You have to keep reaching UP to get to it. It's not remotely ergonomic. I think this is what a lot of folks are missing when they talk about touch PC's.
Not mouse versus touch... but COMFORT, period. It is not at all comfortable to keep reaching upwards to your desk to reach your monitor. Trust me when I tell you this.
Got a touch screen 23" monitor for reception.... not one person uses their hands. It's just much more comfortable and you don't have to sit as close to use the keyb/mouse on the tray under the desk.
I only see touch being used with laptops. I have a large multi monitor setupfoot my desktop. It would be a lot of stretching to use touch on it. But I can as other methods of input working moved with metro.
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