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Old 03-26-2012, 10:48 AM
 
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This the United States of America is it not?

Where one can voice their displeasure on something?

Or has that freedom been taken away by your government too?

With this new policy "One is innocent until proven guilty" has been replaced by the MPAA and RIAA rule of "We don't have to prove anything, you are guilty if we suspect you of doing anything"

I for one don't like your country if this is how American citizens are treated in the United States of America of twenty first century....
That right only comes when charged;but theft is theft regardless as stated.Do you really believe its only if you get caught stealing ;that your a thef?
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Old 03-26-2012, 10:50 AM
 
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Another reason I won't be voting for obama, without the WH's help this monitoring tactic would not have worked...
It's not Obama, but the 535 bought and paid for members of congress. They are the corporate w***es that introduced stuff like SOPA and PIPA (which will be revived after the elections). The solution is vote them out if they have been there for more than 2 terms.
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Old 03-26-2012, 10:50 AM
 
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That makes no sense. How is an ISP going to demand records from themselves.
And its a subpeona the courts need, not a warrant.
LE? Edit: Oh you mean law enforcement online
If LE or anyone else for that matter such as the RIAA requests information from an ISP they can either give it to them or demand a subpoena.
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Old 03-26-2012, 11:50 AM
 
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Posted on ET,. I didnt write it :P

Am American Judge poked the wasps nest when ruling that the mass lawsuits of the entertainment industry infringe the file-shrarer's right to anonymous speach.

Florida judge has signed an order which actually protected the accused bittorrent users from mass lawsuits launched by rights owners and kills all bittorrent lawsuits in state court.
The assistant of the jduge called the file sharing lawsuits the "Fishing expeditions" saying that the rights owners are actually trolls.
]The ruling remains important because it indicates how the judge is leaning in handling mass lawsuits.
He added that the lawsuits were used to extort settlements from people who are neither subject to the courts personal jurisdiction nor responsible for copyright violation, but do not want to be
dragged into a court in the lawsuit taht might seek disclosure of the contents of their PC's

Many federal courts have already dismissed Bittorrent lawsuits, but this judge is using the Fist Amendment. He pointed out the supreme court recognized that the First Amendment does protecton anonymous
speech and it is therefore impossible for a state court to conclude wether the rights owners demand to identify the defendants is legitimate or not. Meanwhile, Bittorrent users rights to anonymous speech
shield usesr from being exposed through state court lawsuits.

In fact, the discovery process can't be used for mass file-sharing lawsuits, since subpoenas are supposed to target the end users, not a 3rd party like internet providers. Even though the decision has been set aside, it still makes it difficult for the creative industry to see how its going to get its trolling antics past the Florida Judge.

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Old 03-26-2012, 01:19 PM
 
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You download a picture off the Internet that's copyrighted ---OOPS

You save off a picture of Mickey Mouse so your daughter can color it ---OOPS2

You download a copyrighted icon for your desktop ---OOPS3
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You can't seriously believe this is what they are after? You and I both know what they want to stop:
Limewire, Lizardwire, Frostwire or whatever other *wire* service that pops up to allow people to steal:
MUSIC
MOVIES

Thats's all. That's what this is about.
Exactly. Technically your browser is downloading copyrighted material every time you view a Youtube video, browse Flickr, or visit any web site for that matter but no one's ever been prosecuted for it. So this isn't just about "downloading copyrighted material". Its about actively participating in P2P networks that exchange material they have no legal right to exchange.

There's limits on everything. You have free speech, but you can't incite a riot. You can own a gun, but you can't stick it in someone's face. You can access the Internet but you can't use it to threaten someone's life or download things you have no right to.
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Old 03-26-2012, 04:03 PM
 
Location: Metro Washington DC
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I guess if you don't like it, boycott Comcast, Cablevision, Verizon, Time Warner Cable and whomever joins.
How many Americans live in a place where the only choice for high speed internet is one of those companies? A boycott won't work without alternatives.
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Old 03-26-2012, 04:16 PM
 
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There's limits on everything. You have free speech, but you can't incite a riot. You can own a gun, but you can't stick it in someone's face. You can access the Internet but you can't use it to threaten someone's life or download things you have no right to.
You CAN do those things, you just assume immediate responsibility to deal with the consequences
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Old 03-27-2012, 07:03 AM
 
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How many Americans live in a place where the only choice for high speed internet is one of those companies? A boycott won't work without alternatives.

Yeah most people only have 1 or 2 choices. I had a choice of 3 and was checking who owns my internet company last night. Apparently Im lucky because its privately owned.
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Old 03-27-2012, 07:41 AM
 
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Exactly. Technically your browser is downloading copyrighted material every time you view a Youtube video, browse Flickr, or visit any web site for that matter but no one's ever been prosecuted for it. So this isn't just about "downloading copyrighted material". Its about actively participating in P2P networks that exchange material they have no legal right to exchange.

There's limits on everything. You have free speech, but you can't incite a riot. You can own a gun, but you can't stick it in someone's face. You can access the Internet but you can't use it to threaten someone's life or download things you have no right to.
Just like speeding, fudging on one's income tax and goofing off at work. Some will do it others won't, just depends on one's hoier-than-thou attitude...
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Old 03-27-2012, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Yeah its totally megauploads fault...sarcasm
Not saying it is totally thier fault, Skel. But they certainly helped add kindling to the fire. And the ISP's are going to hold them up to the light and use them as an example of how many millions of MP3's and 100's of 1000's of movies are available to people. For peanuts.

It does amazes me that so many people think it is thier god given right to steal music and movies. Steal your music the old fashion way: check out CD's from the library.
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