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Old 02-18-2014, 07:33 PM
 
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currently im in school to get my bs in info sciences and man, some students don't think outside of the box. currently my part in our assignment is security, and assumptions/dependencies. one of the things i mention is(since this will be a java based program aka its all they know in program languages) is to use a class in java that create a salt hashed encryption.

when i then mention we need adequate bandwidth to support loads of users, they just blink and say "you mean servers?". then im ostracized for thinking ahead/more advanced. i feel like im wasting my time sad part is, most of these folks are going into either programming or database. im that red headed stepchild who is aiming for network security, yet i know a bit more than they do.

ugh, sorry for the rant but man i feel lost and rethinking if i want to do this anymore.
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Old 02-18-2014, 09:39 PM
 
Location: Diaspora
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FWIW the IT industry in the US is dying. Once you get your BS, find something to get certified in as the degree alone isn't worth much. Be prepared to end up moving somewhere else to get a job. Keep in mind you have to stay ahead of India, so choose wisely. FYI DBA is still a six figure income.
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Old 02-19-2014, 08:33 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Huh? People have been proclaiming the IT Industry's death year after year after year and yet it remains one of the steadiest growth job sectors in the US.

IT jobs will grow 22% through 2020, says U.S. - Computerworld.

Certain types of jobs will surely continue to be outsourced to India, but not Security jobs like the OP is looking into. And OP, if these guys are going to be your competition for jobs in the market, this should excite you... not discourage you.

What concerns me more is the inability of our youth to properly punctuate.
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Old 02-19-2014, 11:45 AM
 
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Huh? People have been proclaiming the IT Industry's death year after year after year and yet it remains one of the steadiest growth job sectors in the US.

IT jobs will grow 22% through 2020, says U.S. - Computerworld.

Certain types of jobs will surely continue to be outsourced to India, but not Security jobs like the OP is looking into. And OP, if these guys are going to be your competition for jobs in the market, this should excite you... not discourage you.

What concerns me more is the inability of our youth to properly punctuate.

eh i just ranted on with little concern of proper punctuation on a forum.
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Old 02-19-2014, 01:54 PM
 
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Huh? People have been proclaiming the IT Industry's death year after year after year and yet it remains one of the steadiest growth job sectors in the US.

Certain types of jobs will surely continue to be outsourced to India, but not Security jobs like the OP is looking into. And OP, if these guys are going to be your competition for jobs in the market, this should excite you... not discourage you.

What concerns me more is the inability of our youth to properly punctuate.
I'm an Oracle DBA who is fully certified. It not really growth. It's Jobs coming back at lower salaries. Its easy to proclaim growth after 100,000's of jobs were lost in the past 10 years. If I at minimum could get paid what I had 10 years ago, then I wouldn't be working in Dubai for most of the year. Some of the payrates are higher in certain parts of the country, but who wants to job hop to different states (if your single and own nothing its fine)?


BTW computer people don't need to know how to punctuate unless they are administrators. I haven't not received a well written email in a very long time. As long as you can code/script without fat fingering you'll be fine.
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Old 02-20-2014, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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DISAGREE. Everyone should know how to punctuate. I don't care how could you are at your job or how valuable.
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Old 02-20-2014, 08:59 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Not all IT jobs are created equal, nor can they all be lumped into the same category. I have a client-facing IT job and we continue to hire. Our company has found that our competitive advantage is to actually have US-based employees, rather than employees overseas in other countries.
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Old 02-20-2014, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Scranton
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Proper grammar and spelling shows that a person is educated. You could be the best IT guy in the world, but if your grammar/spelling is awful, your chances of moving up the ladder are slim to none.
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Old 02-20-2014, 09:14 AM
 
Location: NYC
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IT is dying because quality jobs are being outsourced or replaced completely. The work will never be replaced it's just different.

Many companies hire less US IT workers today because of automation and global workforce. Which is why wages for IT work has remained flat for almost a decade, slowly growing this year because some jobs have high requirements and are harder to filled this year.

When you see some IDC reports saying IT jobs are growing like 20-30% they are saying new IT positions. Some positions become obsolete and new ones get created.

Hot jobs in the 90s that are dying now:

Desktop support
Network admin
Email administration

Today the hot jobs are:

storage engineer
security analyst (John Snowden type of work)
IT Risk analysis
Tech sales
VoIP engineer

This will keep changing so your best bet is to take many different computer courses and find a path that you like. By the time you actually get your degree the momentum will shift again.
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Old 02-21-2014, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Hot jobs in the 90s that are dying now:

Desktop support
Network admin
Email administration
Disagree. Time will tell.
Boots on the ground to walk to a users desk and help them with a problem are simply something that cannot really be easily outsourced. HelpDesk, sure. 2nd level Desktop Support? No.
And I just applied for a Network Admin job paying a huge salary. Although it's not much more then I make now it sounds like something I might enjoy. Although that position is also responsible for doing large mutli-party ISDN Video Conferencing. So I wouldn't say those jobs are going anywhere, they are being slightly re-purposed. As they really should be.

Said Company does outsource Helpdesk, but it is actually to an American company... for now.
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