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Old 08-05-2014, 01:00 AM
 
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I don't get your point? What do you mean by "bare Linux" and "interact with Linux?" Most people aren't admins and just want to use there computer or smartphone to get something done.
Most people don't use Linux on their phones. None of the big players in the smartphone space use Linux as their OS.
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Old 08-05-2014, 07:34 AM
 
Location: Scranton
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Most people don't use Linux on their phones. None of the big players in the smartphone space use Linux as their OS.
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Old 08-05-2014, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Greensboro, NC
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Most people don't use Linux on their phones. None of the big players in the smartphone space use Linux as their OS.

LOL! Android is based on the Linux kernel.
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Old 08-05-2014, 08:41 PM
 
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LOL! Android is based on the Linux kernel.
You clearly misread what I wrote. I didn't say that phones don't use the Linux kernel. I said they don't use Linux as their OS. Android is not Linux. It simply uses the Linux kernel for two things. Managing drivers and managing power.

You might want to look here to learn more: https://github.com/android/platform_frameworks_base
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Old 08-05-2014, 10:47 PM
 
Location: Scranton
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You clearly misread what I wrote. I didn't say that phones don't use the Linux kernel. I said they don't use Linux as their OS. Android is not Linux. It simply uses the Linux kernel for two things. Managing drivers and managing power.

You might want to look here to learn more: https://github.com/android/platform_frameworks_base
You might want to look around here to learn more: Android Developers

Android uses the Linux kernel, SELinux (Security Enhanced Linux), ALSA (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture), Linux filesystems like EXT3 and JFFS. All I/O is processed by the Linux kernel, including touch input, the display, sound output, Bluetooth, and WiFi. The Linux kernel also deals with CPU scheduling, memory management, device creation and removal, etc...

You are aware that Linux if more than just Ubuntu, right?
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Old 08-05-2014, 11:40 PM
 
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You might want to look around here to learn more: Android Developers

Android uses the Linux kernel, SELinux (Security Enhanced Linux), ALSA (Advanced Linux Sound Architecture), Linux filesystems like EXT3 and JFFS. All I/O is processed by the Linux kernel, including touch input, the display, sound output, Bluetooth, and WiFi. The Linux kernel also deals with CPU scheduling, memory management, device creation and removal, etc...

You are aware that Linux if more than just Ubuntu, right?
Your reading comprehension has failed you. I never said that Android doesn't use the Linux Kernel. In fact, I said it did. The Android OS uses the Linux Kernel for managing drivers (hardware access) and power. However, the Android OS, is not Linux itself. Just because something uses the Linux Kernel doesn't make it Linux. You might want to look into what an Operating System is. That will help you understand.

I think the easiest way is to get this across is to refer to a slide from Google themselves at the Google I/O conference when the lead developer was discussing Android:



The source of the image: Main Linux problems on the desktop, 2014 edition
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Old 08-06-2014, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Scranton
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Your reading comprehension has failed you.
<SNIP>
Gotcha! Your Russian "Linux sucks" website is more authoritative than Android's own android.com. Of course, if it is on the Internet, then it must be true.

Edit: Actually, your doc points to this gem: GNU/Linux FAQ - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation
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Are there complete Linux systems [sic] without GNU? (#linuxsyswithoutgnu)
There are complete systems that contain Linux and not GNU; Android is an example. But it is a mistake to call them “Linux” systems, just as it is a mistake to call GNU a “Linux” system.
Android is very different from the GNU/Linux system—because the two have very little code in common. In fact, the only thing they have in common is Linux.

If you call the whole GNU/Linux system “Linux”, you will find it necessary to say things like, “Android contains Linux, but it isn't Linux, because it doesn't have the usual Linux [sic] libraries and utilities [meaning the GNU system].”

Android contains just as much of Linux as GNU/Linux does. What it doesn't have is the GNU system. Android replaces that with Google software that works quite differently. What makes Android different from GNU/Linux is the absence of GNU.
Bolded emphasis mine.
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Old 08-06-2014, 08:42 AM
 
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Gotcha! Your Russian "Linux sucks" website is more authoritative than Android's own android.com. Of course, if it is on the Internet, then it must be true.

Edit: Actually, your doc points to this gem: GNU/Linux FAQ - GNU Project - Free Software Foundation
Bolded emphasis mine.
Not quite a "Gotcha". No one is saying that Android doesn't contain Linux. The slide from Google just happens to be on that site. I couldn't post the slide without a source. I didn't even read the Russian site. All I needed was the slide from Google I/O where they introduced Android.

Here's a better one: Dream(sheep++): A developer’s introduction to Google Android | Ars Technica

The point here is that Android, itself, is not Linux. Clearly you didn't review the initial link which tells you exactly how much Linux and how it's being used. Here's a link again: https://github.com/android/platform_frameworks_base

As Linus said himself, Android uses a fork of the Linux Kernel.

Again, you might want to learn what an OS is.

Also, I'm not anti Linux by any means. I use both android (nexus 5) and archlinux. I also used to work for Google (on chrome).

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Old 08-06-2014, 08:54 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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OMG enough. Start a new thread.

Android is NOT Linux. Best is totally right here.
Now what were we talking about??? OYEA. XP!
smh
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Old 09-09-2014, 07:52 PM
 
Location: Norman, OK
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As for the original topic, my school is now in the process of upgrading from Windows XP to Windows 7. Once they finish, I will no longer have any interaction with XP.
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