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Old 03-18-2014, 09:37 AM
 
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So when I say you installed software, it could be something that simple. AVG designing software for more capable machines.
As a developer I agree, we can only support old hardware and OSes for so long. Users want new features, better features, more features. This all costs in terms of required memory, CPU, HDD, etc.

It's also incredibly expensive to support multiple versions for multiple hardware profiles. Enough so that we couldn't stay in business if we had to have multiple versions to support very old hardware.

Our software today is probably 5 times larger than it was 10 years ago, and has thousands of new features that our users have asked for.

Another factor is the tools we use. We are actually having to stay one version behind in .NET to support XP, and stayed 2 versions behind for a couple of years to make it simpler for XP users.

In this regard, it costs us money to support XP, since the feature set of the newer tools make our work easier.

Luckily, we consider XP to be not PCI compliant after EOL, so that will put an end to that problem.
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Old 03-21-2014, 12:11 AM
 
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OP, did you replace that original memory stick when you added memory or did you leave it in place and add another?
I left the original memory in place when I added the new stick.
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Old 03-21-2014, 12:15 AM
 
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I'll tell you one thing that can make XP feel slow. Anti Virus software. I have 2 XP machines at work running 1GB and when I upgraded to the newest version of AVG Business, those 2 systems really took a performance hit. To test I removed it and installed MSE and they were back to behaving perfectly.
So when I say you installed software, it could be something that simple. AVG designing software for more capable machines.
This has got me thinking as well. I was running AVG and was noticing when I disabled it I was running a little better and I just noticed that I've had AVG turned off.

Now I don't know whether it's the memory upgrade, disabling avg or both. All I know is since putting in the memory my machine is still light years better than what it was before.
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Old 03-21-2014, 05:00 AM
 
Location: A safe distance from San Francisco
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This has got me thinking as well. I was running AVG and was noticing when I disabled it I was running a little better and I just noticed that I've had AVG turned off.

Now I don't know whether it's the memory upgrade, disabling avg or both. All I know is since putting in the memory my machine is still light years better than what it was before.
If turning off AVG was the only other change you made, then there's you're culprit. I call tell you what it isn't....and that is 1GB RAM being insufficient for XP to run smoothly without crashing. XP runs perfectly fine and perfectly stably on half of that.

Easy enough to confirm....leave AVG off and take out that added memory stick. If your problems return, then it is something very rare and unlikely like a physical problem with that memory slot on the motherboard.

The answer to your original question, " since when is 1 GB of memory insufficient just to surf the web?", is since never. The "need" for multi-GBs of RAM is way overstated, at least where XP is concerned. Equally, the need to run with AV software 100% of the time is vastly overstated. AV software on your computer is, in fact, just another form of malware with a different name. It is big business, marketed through stirring irrational fear.
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Old 03-21-2014, 11:05 PM
 
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All of which was to no avail. So I tried one last thing. I upgraded my memory from 1 GB to 3 GB and presto!
Yup that will do it.....

The computer should be using VIRTUAL RAM if its needed but in general I dont think Windows Handles memory management very well at times..... YES MORE RAM WOULD DEFINELTY HELP

Good for you buddy!
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Old 03-23-2014, 08:36 PM
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Computer are getting loaded down with more and more bells, whistles, fancy & unneeded graphics and CRAPWARE.

Go into task manager and click on performance.....you will see a buttload of JUNK taking up valuable resources.

I just bought a new laptop a little while ago.....the amout of crapware/bloatware/junkware on the installation-disk is INSANE.
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Old 03-23-2014, 08:58 PM
 
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Computer are getting loaded down with more and more bells, whistles, fancy & unneeded graphics and CRAPWARE.

Go into task manager and click on performance.....you will see a buttload of JUNK taking up valuable resources.

I just bought a new laptop a little while ago.....the amout of crapware/bloatware/junkware on the installation-disk is INSANE.
If you use Windows, buy a ThinkPad X, T , or W series (except the X120, X13X, X140), and click on the task manager/performance. You'll find two things that you don't need. Norton Anti-virus trial, and Skype. That'sl hardly a "buttload of JUNK".

Now if you get cheap crap, you get what you pay for.
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Old 03-23-2014, 09:00 PM
 
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And I guarantee you that the OP's problem with "constantly slow and crashing"was not caused by having only 1 GB RAM.

As I write this, my system is using 249MB, with 260MB available. You most certainly do not need more than 512MB for surfing the web.
What browser are you using? HTML5 sites can easily take 90mb of RAM each... and up to 300mb in a modern browser. Several tabs can add up to quite a bit of RAM.
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Old 03-23-2014, 09:17 PM
 
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I can now confirm it's definitely the memory because I've re-enabled Avast and I'm my machine is still cruising.
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Old 03-23-2014, 09:23 PM
 
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I can now confirm it's definitely the memory because I've re-enabled Avast and I'm my machine is still cruising.
Glad that you've come back and confirmed. The technically savvy folks here correctly pointed this out on day one.
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