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Old 11-17-2014, 09:36 PM
 
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I think we've confused two different things.

These are offline downloads from the streaming services, not purchased downloads. Most of these streaming services offer downloads but you don't own them. It's just a way to have offline access to part of the library when you don't have internet.

If I don't log into Rhapsody for two weeks, my offline tracks stop working.
See, that's the thing, I don't want to deal with any of that. I want the songs to be as unrestricted and as untied down as a record or MP3 file. Otherwise, I want no part of it if I'm downloading. If I'm doing this new streaming thing for letting someone do my DJing for me for awhile or for learning new songs, I'm not worried about it, but when I am on a mission to get songs specifically, I want to GET them, PERIOD.
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Old 11-17-2014, 09:59 PM
 
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Exactly, I want to OWN the song OUTRIGHT, to do with it as I please, totally unlimited.
That's usually not an option with signed artists.
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Old 11-17-2014, 10:22 PM
 
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See, that's the thing, I don't want to deal with any of that. I want the songs to be as unrestricted and as untied down as a record or MP3 file. Otherwise, I want no part of it if I'm downloading. If I'm doing this new streaming thing for letting someone do my DJing for me for awhile or for learning new songs, I'm not worried about it, but when I am on a mission to get songs specifically, I want to GET them, PERIOD.
Not sure how new this is, as we've used a Rhapsody sub as our primary music source for about a decade.

We don't primarily use it for music discovery, or as a radio station, but as a way to have a nearly unlimited library of music.
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Old 11-17-2014, 10:24 PM
 
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I guess everyone is different, but I've never found the handling of storage files to be a huge pain, and in fact it's easy for me to think that those who find it to be are, well, kind of inept or lazy to be blunt. But then, I suppose we're all different--after all, am I "lazy" because I purchase canned chicken broth instead of making it however you make it, or for buying chicken breasts in the store instead of raising my own chickens and doing all that entails?

I also sure as heck don't want to hear any commercials, ever ever ever. I don't like the DJ "cutting in" to the beginning of the song, talking during the introduction as if that "drum fill" or whatever is irrelevant just because no one is singing. If I want to hear the weather forecast, I'll fire up Weatherbug, thank you very much. If I want to know the background of a song and/or its singer, I'll look it up on Wikipedia.

I don't mind that the OPTION exists, I only care because--and maybe this is just talk--but they make it sound like one day you won't even be able to download a song anymore, you will HAVE to stream it, and I don't want any part of that. Everyone else can be as different as they want until it now means I have to do what they're doing when I want to OWN the song myself.
I agree. I don't really care much for streaming. I do it occasionally when I am at the gym, if my mp3 player dies, but really I prefer my own music - listening to exactly what I want to hear. I want to own the song, and place it on whatever device I choose.
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Old 11-17-2014, 11:46 PM
 
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That's usually not an option with signed artists.
It is with Amazon MP3s or ripping the CD.
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Old 11-18-2014, 12:11 AM
 
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It is with Amazon MP3s or ripping the CD.
With those two, you don't own the song to do with what you please. You are licensed to use the song per the licensing agreement and copyright terms.
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Old 11-18-2014, 12:56 AM
 
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With those two, you don't own the song to do with what you please. You are licensed to use the song per the licensing agreement and copyright terms.
Any song you have purchased a license for without DRM can be copied as much as you want as long as it's for personal use. Those fall under the Home Recording Act which carves out special provisions from normal copyright law. They can't make licensing agreements that prevent you from doing that.

Having a copy of song that had DRM is not necessarily illegal because of these provisions but it becomes irrelevant with DMCA. It's the act of obtaining it that is illegal because you need to break the copy protection scheme.

It's important to note there is distinct difference between purchasing a song(direct download of a file) and purchasing a streaming service.
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Old 11-18-2014, 01:06 AM
 
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Any song you have purchased a license for without DRM can be copied as much as you want as long as it's for personal use. Those fall under the Home Recording Act which carves out special provisions from normal copyright law. They can't make licensing agreements that prevent you from doing that.

Having a copy of song that had DRM is not necessarily illegal because of these provisions but it becomes irrelevant with DMCA. It's the act of obtaining it that is illegal because you need to break the copy protection scheme.

It's important to note there is distinct difference between purchasing a song(direct download of a file) and purchasing a streaming service.
Right... but that doesn't, in any way, translate to

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Exactly, I want to OWN the song OUTRIGHT, to do with it as I please, totally unlimited.
There are restrictions.
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Old 11-18-2014, 01:51 PM
 
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With those two, you don't own the song to do with what you please. You are licensed to use the song per the licensing agreement and copyright terms.
I am well aware of that, and if I may be blunt, I'm finding myself annoyed reading this. (If you didn't mean to annoy me, please accept my apology.)

I am referring to the TECHNICAL aspects of that it's mine to do as you please. I mean that I don't have to deal with DRM headaches of having to use proprietary software to play the file, I can just play it with any normal MP3 software or on an MP3 player (stand-alone or smartphone), I can backup the file to as many PCs or external hard drives as I please period without having to "disable" past devices where they think I'm trying to spread it around, I don't have to log into a service to prove that my account is still active, etc. In a TECHNICAL OPERATIONAL sense, it's mine unlimited.

If a download isn't that, I want no part of it. Streaming--okay, but a purchased track--hands-off.
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Old 11-18-2014, 02:20 PM
 
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If a download isn't that, I want no part of it. Streaming--okay, but a purchased track--hands-off.
We aren't talking about purchasing these.

We are talking about streaming services that allow you to bring a copy of the song locally so that you can "stream" it while offline.

I'm in complete agreement with you on purchases, but what I'm downloading from my streaming service isn't a purchase. I'm not buying any music, and I'm not paying extra for the feature.
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