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Old 12-19-2014, 06:45 AM
 
Location: Wandering.
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There is little to no threat to wise and careful users.
Agree completely.

Unfortunately, the other 99.99999% of computer users are the problem.
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Old 12-19-2014, 08:35 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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I wholeheartedly agree with your assessment of the backward slide - the downward spiral - that is the software industry today. Generally speaking, the best software ever written was in the PC's earliest days.
I don't understand these "older people" living in the past. And I am not young.
"In my day... software was better." Stop...
In ALMOST every case that is not even remotely true.

Let me guess... there hasn't been a good song released since 1955, too, right?


Damn I miss that first version of Photoshop....

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Old 12-19-2014, 11:19 PM
 
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I work for a very small architecture firm. The owner uses old Dell computers with Windows XP.
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Risk vs. reward. If the computer is backed up any risk to the business is minimal. The "risk" amounts to the possibility of spending a few minutes doing a restore. OTOH, I just loaded a fresh copy of Avast on an XP computer and even with Avast just doing basic file protection the computer took a big performance hit.

I'm used to doing the uncommon in evaluating risk vs. reward. Examples: I refuse to take statins because the risks of damage are greater for me than the reward. I have a zero calcium score, so that "protection" is not valid. I drive an older van that doesn't have the latest crash resistance. I drive conservatively and go out of my way to avoid dangerous situations. I don't have a fire extinguisher beside my stove, but I have a couple open boxes of baking soda nearby. It might appear that I take risks when I am doing the opposite.

The greater issue is that the common mindset in the U.S. is so risk averse that it cripples us. None of us get outta here alive anyway. Fear of shadows isn't going to change that.
Cute. I don't take statins either, but risk of some pain due to a drug we don't need is not the same as crashing a business.

Backups? No mention of them in a rather detailed post. Considering that the owner uses old Dells and is still on XP, I doubt they are bothering.

If I was still running a business, especially one that other peoples livelihoods depend on, I'd get off my cheap ass high horse and do the right thing.

There are times to take a stand, and times to make a point. Then there are times to do what's right.
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Old 12-20-2014, 12:19 AM
 
Location: Somewhere in northern Alabama
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"Backups? No mention of them in a rather detailed post."

Huh??? End of my post (post #2 in the thread)

"My advice in his situation would be to keep those computers "virgin" and instead of using an antivirus use backups of the system and data."
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Old 12-20-2014, 12:40 PM
 
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Not your post. The OP's post.
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Old 12-21-2014, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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Cute. I don't take statins either, but risk of some pain due to a drug we don't need is not the same as crashing a business.

Backups? No mention of them in a rather detailed post. Considering that the owner uses old Dells and is still on XP, I doubt they are bothering.

If I was still running a business, especially one that other peoples livelihoods depend on, I'd get off my cheap ass high horse and do the right thing.

There are times to take a stand, and times to make a point. Then there are times to do what's right.
There are six active Dell computers, all with Windows XP. Five more were just bought for $250 (total) but will remain inactive and stored somewhere. The five newly bought computers have all the exact same programs, memory, and just about the same everything. The goal of that is so we don't have to upgrade for another five years or so. We can just switch out active computers for the ones in reserve as they cease to function. Files are backed up on a zip drive and on multiple computers. We also have the computers set up so they can be reverted to system restore points. Old drawings are of course also printed out and stored permanently.

We have two computers with internet access. They are usually not used for architectural drafting, so much as typing letters, sending e-mails, doing internet research, and things like that. One is a laptop...so it's only used for architectural drafting on multiple day trips away from the office. Both computers with internet access have Avast virus protection.

Cheapness is not an issue...efficiency is. Changes hinder concentration. The owner can make $80 per hour...so every minute spent on distraction is a big problem. Ideally...every button and every option on every computer in the office would be exactly the same. Every new software to learn about slows things down, as does the time it takes to install it and fix any problems that might come with it.

What I think we'll do is continue to have automatic updates on the two computers with internet access...and keep all other computers with zero internet access. I'll have to find some virus protection that requires neither maintenance work, nor internet access. It'll just defend from the old viruses...but that would be better than nothing.

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Old 12-21-2014, 11:44 AM
 
Location: Missouri, USA
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I don't understand these "older people" living in the past. And I am not young.
"In my day... software was better." Stop...
In ALMOST every case that is not even remotely true.

Let me guess... there hasn't been a good song released since 1955, too, right?


Damn I miss that first version of Photoshop....
Paint is an improvement. Copy/paste is an improvement. There are a few others too.

We use Paint quite often, by the way. No advanced, high tech software: Paint. After AutoCAD and some type of word processor used to type letters, Paint is probably the most important software on our computers.

It's wonderful because it's simple, and is on just about every computer on Earth.

Personally, I've noticed zero improvements to either Windows or Microsoft Word since 1995.

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