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Old 01-04-2015, 05:47 PM
 
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I do not. The the only computers that I have that are not connected to the internet are the ones I do not use.
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Old 01-05-2015, 06:28 AM
 
Location: Amelia View
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I've thought about keeping a computer, possibly one being replaced with new model, and reset it to factory condition then not connect it to any network. I could use it safely to keep personal fiances, tax records, and other critical personal information. It would also be nice for games since the computer wouldn't be weighed down with anti-virus, anti-adware, viruses, adware, Trojans, worms, etc slowing down the processors. Can't hack a computer not connected to the internet.
I have a laptop that's never connected to the internet. It has all my financials on it (I use Quicken). It's an older machine and it was pure laziness that when I got a new one I didn't take the time to transfer all the data to the new one ... and I found I didn't have to because I don't need the internet for any of it (I don't pay bills online). It's quite simple that if I must access my banks or accounts for whatever reason, I do that on my newer machine.

But if my newer machine was ever compromised, all the details of social security numbers, account numbers, etc. are not sitting there. Of course I'm not completely protected since my internet-connected machine has some info including passwords that some creep could steal, but I know that I can do whatever I want on my older machine and no creep can get to it.

The only danger to the older non-connected computer is if I transfer data between machines via a flashdrive or something. Without antivirus on the older machine I could unknowingly put a bug on it during the transfer. So far so good that scanning the flashdrive with my new machine's antivirus has kept my old one healthy.
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Old 01-05-2015, 08:50 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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It's hard to avoid it all,
It's really not. I can count on one hand the number of viruses I've picked up since the very beginning, since the first Windows 3.1 machine I had....and I don't use anti virus software.

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I had guy send me a Word document I was expecting that was infected with something.
The newest version of Word warn you before you open documents "Hey, this has macros!!" which is usually where a virus comes in through a Word document. That's a red flag. BTW, Word viruses are getting kind of rare today. Much easier to write things that infect through a browser...

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I even caught myself once clicking a link in paypal email, it was from Paypal but the point is had it been a phishing email they almost got me.
If it had been a phisihing email, there would have been something phisy in it.

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You can get infected on any site if it gets hacked.
You mean like when the NY Times was infected? Even then, it was about the lamest infection ever and could have been stopped with common sense. The old pop up attack... "scanning your computer....". Alt-F4 BAM. No worries.

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The latest thing I heard was these plug in USB chargers for the car having viruses...
Now that I'd like to read about.

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Using a computer is like driving a car, it's inevitable your going to get in an accident at some point.
Disagree. Obviously.
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Old 01-05-2015, 09:06 AM
 
Location: Metro Washington DC
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I have had two computers infected (one XPERIA, the other Vista) with malware similar to crypto locker, I think. Both somehow got installed even though the user was using a limited account, and did not know the administrator password. They even had antivirus software, gully updat. Neither computer had been used for porn viewing. I have long since fixed them, but I have no idea how they got past all of the defenses.
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Old 01-05-2015, 09:11 AM
 
Location: Wandering.
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The latest thing I heard was these plug in USB chargers for the car having viruses...
Haven't heard about that, but I have seen reports of the potential for charging stations at malls, airports, or other public places to have hardware hidden in the kiosks (instead of just being chargers).

This presents the potential for injection of malware, or scanning of information on the device.
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Old 01-05-2015, 09:20 AM
 
Location: HoCo, MD
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Haven't heard about that, but I have seen reports of the potential for charging stations at malls, airports, or other public places to have hardware hidden in the kiosks (instead of just being chargers).

This presents the potential for injection of malware, or scanning of information on the device.
I'd like to see more details on the car USB charger as well. I've read articles about people programing the firmware on a USB stick, but I wonder if there's enough memory/space on just an AC adapter with an USB outlet (and I'm talking just the plug that comes with your phone, not the hubs that you can plug in).

As for the kiosks, that makes sense. Anytime one plugs a device to a dataport where you can't verify what's on the other end, there's always a risk.
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Old 01-18-2015, 01:00 AM
 
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The #1 place that people get viruses is from surfing porn sites. Fact.
Avoid those and you've already won half the battle.
Another source is "free games". My wife wrecked our computer with that.
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Old 01-19-2015, 05:35 PM
 
Location: Ohio
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But you'd still have risks if you use any media to exchange files with any other computer. Your isolated PC must remain isolated.
Practically no additional risk if the Internet connected computer that the USB drive came from has functioning A/V protection.


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It's really not. I can count on one hand the number of viruses I've picked up since the very beginning, since the first Windows 3.1 machine I had....and I don't use anti virus software.
Me too, and I actually have never had a virus on my machine, going all the way back to Windows 98 days. Most antivirus software severely degrades computer's performance (particularly laptop computers with slow 5400 RPM HDDs), and I can't tolerate that. However, if I downloaded something from a site I don't trust, I'll usually scan the download with Malwarebytes Anti-Malware free before installing it.


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You mean like when the NY Times was infected? Even then, it was about the lamest infection ever and could have been stopped with common sense. The old pop up attack... "scanning your computer....". Alt-F4 BAM. No worries.
Using a secure Internet browser (like Firefox or Chrome), along with a blocker like Ghostery greatly reduces the chances that such an attack will actually work on your machine. One of the things I like about Firefox is that it is harder/less obvious how to open a download. A non-savvy user that didn't intend to download anything will be very unlikely to click the downloads button and manually execute the download. So the popup malware harmlessly downloads to their Downloads folder and they forget about it. This compared to IE and Chrome which make the download very obvious and easy for the user to execute.


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I'd like to see more details on the car USB charger as well. I've read articles about people programing the firmware on a USB stick, but I wonder if there's enough memory/space on just an AC adapter with an USB outlet (and I'm talking just the plug that comes with your phone, not the hubs that you can plug in).

As for the kiosks, that makes sense. Anytime one plugs a device to a dataport where you can't verify what's on the other end, there's always a risk.
The chips needed to "bug" a charger are very small and could easily be fitted into an AC adapter.

Using a special charging only USB cable that doesn't have the two data wires eliminates the risk of device hacking from a charging station.


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Another source is "free games". My wife wrecked our computer with that.
Yes, in my experience this is the biggest source of adware/malware. Many of these games (and some free software) are supplied by "downloaders" that can download and install all kinds of unwanted stuff to your computer. Some don't even download the program that the user intended. Wait...wasn't that the definition of Trojan horse?
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