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Old 01-03-2015, 10:29 PM
 
Location: Denver
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How are typed languages better for software engineering? I don't see how a software engineer would even care whether you were using a typed language.

You have to keep in mind that the OP is talking about websites. Not about software that requires real-time accuracy of physics simulations. The speed gains in using typed languages vs untyped languages are meaningless for websites.
Introspection, casting, lack of generic types, inheritance will all hold JavaScript back from being a prime time server side language.
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Old 01-03-2015, 10:40 PM
 
Location: Greater NYC, USA
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There's a lot more to HTML than what you described...
What tags do I use on a daily basis ? Div, Table, List, Script... Visual Studio, that's the Microsoft's SDE creates HTML automatically, you push a Table button and it automatically creates a table.

Then when as you work, you might to go directly to code behind, read aromatically generated HTML and then edit/enhance/debug it as needed.

With CSS, like I said, am not good at making GUI look nice, so I let some-one else make the CSS, I have read the tutorial, and simply follow an existing design. My part it in is making sure the HTML tag reflects the correct CSS class/style.
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Old 01-03-2015, 10:43 PM
 
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Introspection, casting, lack of generic types, inheritance will all hold JavaScript back from being a prime time server side language.
JavaScript support inheritance and loose types. The fact that it's already a prime time server side language disproves your opinion. Facebook, Instagram, Wall Street Journal, Walmart, and eBay are prime time.
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Old 01-03-2015, 10:46 PM
 
Location: Greater NYC, USA
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Yes, we need from a server side language allot more then can be accomplished by a scripting language.
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Old 01-03-2015, 10:55 PM
 
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That is FALSE. Most tech companies want power ie. scaling, clustering, messaging, caching..etc. You said it yourself:
JavaScript and Go are capable of all of those. It depends on the use-case, of course. In situations where the computation per request is extremely high, you would want to use Java or even better, C++. But for 99% of websites, you don't need that level of computation per request. Sufficient caching will do.
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Old 01-03-2015, 10:56 PM
 
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Yes, we need from a server side language allot more then can be accomplished by a scripting language.
Like what?
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Old 01-03-2015, 11:03 PM
 
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OP, if you're interested in learning from videos, this is an excellent resource for it. They cover a wide variety of topics include HTML, CSS and JavaScript.

Personally, I don't like video tutorials. But they have worked out well for others. A great value for the price (FREE).
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Old 01-03-2015, 11:12 PM
 
Location: Greater NYC, USA
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Like what?

I have a hard time believing I am having this discussion. I am making DB connections and storing data in Variables, I am interfacing with windows OS and making file operations, I am outputting reports in excel from a server side data stream. I am managing roles, security access rights.

How many variables are the there in Java script?

How does JavaScript manage garbage collection?

What is my server load if all the variables in my application are Variants and no one is managing garbage collection?
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Old 01-03-2015, 11:21 PM
 
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I have a hard time believing I am having this discussion. I am making DB connections and storing data in Variables, I am interfacing with windows OS and making file operations, I am outputting reports in excel from a server side data stream. I am managing roles, security access rights.

How many variables are the there in Java script?

How does JavaScript manage garbage collection?

What is my server load if all the variables in my application are Variants and no one is managing garbage collection?
I can't believe you're having this discussion either. JavaScript can do all of that (DB connections, storing data in variables, interfacing with OS, file system manipulation, and output reports to Excel).

There are as many variables you create in JavaScript.

Of course JavaScript runtime environments have garbage collection.

It seems like you have no familiarity with server-side JavaScript.
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Old 01-03-2015, 11:23 PM
 
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I have a hard time believing I am having this discussion. I am making DB connections and storing data in Variables, I am interfacing with windows OS and making file operations, I am outputting reports in excel from a server side data stream.
Which of those can JavaScript not do? JavaScript can do all of them.
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