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Old 06-08-2016, 02:54 PM
Location: Mableton, GA USA (NW Atlanta suburb, 4 miles OTP)
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Originally Posted by fastninja500 View Post
Which brings up the software piracy question again - are most Linux users engaging in software piracy because of some proprietary software and codecs their distros include (i.e. Linux Mint) out of the box?

I think the answer to that is Yes.
Again, it depends on what you're talking about.

A clean-room reimplementation of a patented application or algorithm (which some restricted codecs are), for example, may or may not be "piracy" at all. But it may be patented. I'm not a fan of software patents as they exist in this country, mainly given the way that the US patent office hands them out like candy, but the reality is that they exist. That doesn't make them valid in a technical sense, IMhO. Just enforcable. *sigh*. Though I think many of them would fall in court.

If you followed Groklaw at all before Pamela shut it down, you'd know the arguments.
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Old 06-09-2016, 06:56 AM
Location: USA
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Thanks for the Groklaw/Pamela reference. Good reading! Sorry, couldn't rep you yet.
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Old 06-09-2016, 07:38 AM
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Originally Posted by fastninja500 View Post
I'm guessing I'm older than you. Actually, it wasn't always that way. Maybe you meant only Microsoft software. I'm not talking buying software from Microsoft only. I'm talking about how we used to buy software in the early days of PCs, if we even had to buy them. Most of the time, software actually was distributed/exchanged for free. But in those early days of personal computers and buying software, we actually got the source code. And we compiled or assembled it ourselves, depending on if it was Basic, Assembler or C. And if we wanted to change or customize some code, all we did was tell the programmer/s and get their company's permission, if there was even a company. There wasn't even a EULA then.

Even on the mainframe, we could buy software and get the Assembler and Cobol code, which we paid for.

Yep. Like MS saying "let's let the people in Asia pirate it for free, because we can always gouge it out from the stupeed Amereekans".

Look, Microsoft can do anything it wants. They have that kind of influence all over the place.

a bit old, but shows what I mean:
Microsoft Lobby Denies the State of Chile Access to Free Software

But I'm not one to condemn these individual software pirates, while Microsoft gets away with bending our laws and corrupting politicians wholesale. They're both breaking the spirit of our laws. The only potential losers I see here are those people who unknowingly buy pirated software. It might or might now work for them in the long run. For them, it's "buyer beware" and "you get what you paid for".

Hey, it's a free country. At least until Microsoft tells you that you pay for your own computer, pay them for the privilege of using their software, and they will install anything they want on your computer, even lock you out of it when they want to, and you're going to like it!
He was right, coleman. It wasn't that way.

The disc and its contents were for you. But the honest credits go to the author. But the purchased goods were yours. Pirating was immoral for sure. But it was just the immoral against the immorals.

Now you know the damages of the 'Monopoly'. They start to twist things around without your consents. If you still bother with their legal claims, then I feel sorry for you and your descendants.
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Old 06-09-2016, 08:54 AM
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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Certainly not going to lie and say "I've never pirated anything". I was young and dumb once. And, in fact, I still use a bootleg copy of Photoshop on my personal laptop that I stole years ago. used it back in the day to make signature files on forums, and help people make logos. It was $600 back then.
I eventually switched to and started using WinGIMP to support Open Source.
I do agree with FastNinja re: open source. There really is no need to steal today. You can do everything for free and legally if you really want to...
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Old 06-09-2016, 11:49 AM
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I really hated the pirated copies of everything. The vendors of them were trying to pretend the authenticity of the real authentics.

Later I learned the authentic factory products weren't affordable for the average people. Then bingo! The elites came out to harassing the plains, so that was an act of the aggressions. Tell me, which student could afford an hundreds dollars software. However, the piracy was not justified. Neither would I justify myself. But I had only bought 2 or 3 or maybe 4 pirated discs all my life. They were all the utilities software. I was pissed by the incest parents. Anyway, I still don't justify myself supporting the software piracy by buying them. They were 95, Offices, 3DMAX. And the fact was I already having 95 installed before I bought the disc.

Anyway, the world was declaring the FFA all the ways. And I retained myself too long.
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Old 06-09-2016, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Peregrine
Certainly not going to lie and say "I've never pirated anything"
Im sorry dues,that wasnt the intent of my thread here...... (THAT PIRATING IS GOOD)


Thats what I really meant!!
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Old 06-09-2016, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by NJBest View Post
There's no situation that makes pirating Microsoft Windows okay.

If you like the software, purchase a license to use it.

If you don't like the software, use one of the thousands of other alternatives.

Microsoft is filling lawsuits because their rights have been violated. If you feel your rights have been violated by then, you should do the same.

But don't fall down to a piece of scum who violates constitutional rights.
Thousands of operating systems?

What universe do you live in?

There is somewhere around 6 and the only one that is an alternative at all is linux.
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Old 06-09-2016, 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by fastninja500 View Post
My 2-cents:

I used to be against software piracy. And I used to admire Microsoft, Apple and other "American" technology companies.

I've lost that respect for these companies when decades ago, they started dodging taxes, paying a gajillion dollars to lobbyists to influence more favorable laws for themselves, exploiting the public, creating a false shortage of programmers so they could influence and manipulate Congress, shipping jobs off shore, then later in-shoring jobs but with foreign labor instead of training the developers here, etc ... I've lost track of how many foreign worker visas there are now. They'll probably come up with a visa per originating country soon?!

I'm sure it made business sense for them. But really, if you're going to be spending gajillion dollars paying lobbyists and politicians anyway, why not invest in training the local people already in the country instead?

Oh right, they wanted to "seed" the potentially larger economies of India and China, at the expense of American developers. Just ship all the jobs overseas. Again, it made business sense for them.

Years ago, my cousin worked at one of the Microsoft companies in Asia. Microsoft, Sony, among others, even "allowed" software piracy in Asia because it used to lead to more actual sales of their products. While they claimed it was illegal, they sort of just winked at it. It was part of their marketing strategy.

One of the reasons why pirated software and videos are still going strong in in Asia. You can buy a 4-TB external drive over there and have it filled up with hundreds of movies, software, thousands of songs, etc.... Serves them right. You reap what you sow ....

It used to be when you bought software, you actually owned the software. You read the EULA now, you don't own anything. Just the right to use a piece of software. Imagine if all car companies came up with a similar EULA and said you can buy our product, but you can never own it fully. You just have the right to use it.

But the majority of people seem to be okay with it. And now, okay with the intrusiveness of Windows 10. Talk about conditioning.

So, as far as I'm concerned, it's open season on them too. My personal principles prevent me from doing it myself - I'm an open source/free software kind of guy. But I'm okay with other people doing software piracy.

End of rant.
They are actually doing that.
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Old 06-09-2016, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Joe33 View Post
They are actually doing that.
Yup.. Good call. There was a lawsuit about this I saw a bit ago. Ford or someone said they only gave a license for the software. General Motors says it owns your car's software - Autoblog
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