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Old 06-10-2016, 06:18 AM
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I notice Microsoft has a way to detect ad blockers on its outlook.com page, which gives false positives, making them think I'm using an ad blocker when I'm not. I'm wondering about the future implications of that. Is it likely there will come a day in the future when they will tell me if I want access to my outlook.com email, I will have to either pay a fee to sign up for ad-free outlook.com, or get rid of the (imaginary) ad blocker?

I'm also wondering if it's possible to defeat their method of detecting/imagining ad blockers, to make them think there isn't one, regardless of whether there actually is one or not.

It seems to me if ad blockers put more effort into making themselves invisible to the websites, the websites might give up trying to detect them. Why can't the ad blockers let the content be displayed on an imaginary screen that looks like the real screen to the website, so there would be no way for the website to detect the difference?
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Old 06-10-2016, 07:00 AM
 
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If you are getting false positives I'd report it to MS.

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It seems to me if ad blockers put more effort into making themselves invisible to the websites, the websites might give up trying to detect them. Why can't the ad blockers let the content be displayed on an imaginary screen that looks like the real screen to the website, so there would be no way for the website to detect the difference?
If I want to serve you ads you will see ads, it's just a matter of implementation. The Achilles heal of ad blockers is they rely on commonality which itself can result in false positives. Years ago Norton had Ad blocking product and they were blocking files on my site in a folder called "banners", they weren't ads. This is a two way street, I can serve up ads that would be indistinguishable from content.

Smaller sites relying solely on Ad Networks like Google Adsense *may* have more difficulty however larger sites that can get direct advertising and can serve ads without relying on thrird parties have a plethora of options available.

I understand the complaints about sites that are littered with ads but when you are blocking ads you're also affecting many other sites. It's the small guys that are affected the most. Very good sites that rely on ads for revenue are losing a lot of money because of these blockers, it's coming to a head. People do not like subscription sites so the alternative is going to be forcing ads onto people.
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Old 06-10-2016, 07:54 AM
 
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I understand the complaints about sites that are littered with ads but when you are blocking ads you're also affecting many other sites. It's the small guys that are affected the most. Very good sites that rely on ads for revenue are losing a lot of money because of these blockers, it's coming to a head. People do not like subscription sites so the alternative is going to be forcing ads onto people.
My computers security is far more important than someone else's revenue. If sites want ad income they need to get on the ad companies to fix their security issues and stop the constant compromising of their networks. Until that happens, no ad revenue from me.
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Old 06-10-2016, 08:47 AM
 
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My computers security is far more important than someone else's revenue. If sites want ad income they need to get on the ad companies to fix their security issues and stop the constant compromising of their networks. Until that happens, no ad revenue from me.
Yes, because you're constantly under attack and they are all just gaping security holes.
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Old 06-10-2016, 09:02 AM
 
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Yes, because you're constantly under attack and they are all just gaping security holes.
You apparently have your head in the sand

Big-name sites hit by rash of malicious ads spreading crypto ransomware [Updated] | Ars Technica

Yahoo's Ad Network is Hacked to Infect Millions of Its Visitors

https://www.theguardian.com/technolo...e-malvertising

https://www.fireeye.com/blog/threat-...advertisi.html

https://blog.malwarebytes.org/threat...sing-campaign/

Ads on Ebay and Drudge Report Were Coopted by Malware for Three Weeks | Motherboard
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Old 06-10-2016, 09:25 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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You apparently have your head in the sand
You know me better then that. I am a realist, not paranoid.
I live in the real world where I am on a computer 8 hours every day, if not more. I am the support person for every person I work with and every single person in my personal life. A high number, I assure you.

Only my father in law seems to be plagued by issues that might come from the sources you fear. However, I suspect it is actually from porn sites. *shudder...

You can show me 50,000 examples. Yes, it happens. Fact: it's not that common to actually get
infected by ads or sites themselves.

"Yahoo gave an official statement via email in response to this malvertising campaign possibly affecting millions of visitors, claiming that media reports have “grossly misrepresented” the scale of the attack."

The media? Grossly misrepresnting something? Noooooooo!
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Old 06-10-2016, 09:27 AM
 
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We can agree to disagree
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Old 06-10-2016, 09:29 AM
 
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As we often do. Cheers.
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Old 06-10-2016, 09:33 AM
 
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As a side note, I can't say I'd trust anything from Yahoo in defense of themselves serving malware via advertising. Although it would surprise me that they actually have millions of visitors
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Old 06-10-2016, 10:16 AM
 
Location: Somewhere in northern Alabama
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FWIW, one of the other forums I used to visit (not City-Data) had users up in arms more than once because of malware in the ads it served up. Needless to say I wasn't affected because I'm a paranoid old fart. (The forum was later sold and the problems disappeared, as did a lot of the wingers and moaners.)
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