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Old 11-14-2017, 08:18 AM
 
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I've got a Sony Vaio Laptop, model # SVE14A35CXH. I've had this laptop for about 4 years and overall I've been pretty happy with it. i5, 12 GB RAM, it does most everything pretty efficiently.

However, Windows Updates are another issue. For going on at least a year, many windows updates say that they "fail". I'm running Windows 8.1.

Yesterday there were @ 10 Windows updates that needed to run and out of 10, only 2 updated, the other 8 failed. This has been going on for well over a year. I can look back at 30 days and there can be 10 updates that are successful, and 20 that failed. I haven't looked at the these updates in detail because it can be very time consuming. But I'm sure there are plenty of duplicates.

Sony no longer supports the laptop or if they do, it's for a very high price.

My question is 2-fold:

1. Should I be that concerned about this? The computer works just fine for me. About all I do is browse the internet. But should I be concerned about vulnerability? Am I leaving myself to be robbed blind because these Windows Updates fail? I do run ZoneAlarm Extreme Security which always seems to catch what it's supposed to catch to my knowledge. ZoneAlarm has been on there for at least 3 years so it's not the problem I assume. I also run the free Malwarebytes program.

2. Is there any kind of program that can help me resolve this? Whether it's paid or free?
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Old 11-14-2017, 11:33 AM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Clean install. You can try one of the registry fixing programs, no real recommendations as I have never used them. Alternatively you can go sleuthing and manually push the updates which is what I have done. Whether or not you should be concerned just depends what updates aren't installing. For me it was content updates like Ink included in the Creators updates. The security updated I've never had a problem with.
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Old 11-14-2017, 01:41 PM
 
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It seems like I have tried to do a clean install on the computer before and even that fails. I did some tinkering over a year ago and had problems, even though I have the hard disks. I may try to do a clean install again and see what happens. Maybe that's my project this weekend.

This is the reason that I just bought a new computer (talked about on my other thread). I just hate to give up on this Sony, it's been so good in several ways except for these Window Updates.

The new computer is nice, but I can't say that it's $1000 better than the Sony that's doing quite well despite failing on the Windows Updates. Pretty much the only reason I was buying the new computer was because of these darn Windows Update failures and inability to restore back to clean install.

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Old 11-16-2017, 08:32 AM
 
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Clean install. You can try one of the registry fixing programs, no real recommendations as I have never used them. Alternatively you can go sleuthing and manually push the updates which is what I have done. Whether or not you should be concerned just depends what updates aren't installing. For me it was content updates like Ink included in the Creators updates. The security updated I've never had a problem with.
I did do a clean install and it worked. Took about 5 hours so it must have worked.

Of course it's wanting to make updates right away and it will be going through the motions of updates for several days.

Related question: The computer came packaged with Windows 8.1. Strategy wise, should I go ahead and try to update to Windows 10 or whatever the latest version of Windows is, (if it will let me) or just let the computer do the automatic updates over time for Windows 8.1? Does this make sense?
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Old 11-16-2017, 08:22 PM
 
Location: Sarasota FL
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I have windows 7 for years. I stopped updates in Oct 16 when MS would not fix the updates problems. Have not had any problems
I know of someone with an old laptop using Vista and has never installed updates. Works fine.
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Old 11-17-2017, 08:25 AM
 
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I have windows 7 for years. I stopped updates in Oct 16 when MS would not fix the updates problems. Have not had any problems
I know of someone with an old laptop using Vista and has never installed updates. Works fine.
Agree with you. I saw where the charge to update to Windows 10 was over $100. But this machine is working fine for the most part.

It has gone through a lot of updates over the past 48 hours after restore. When I turned it off one time it said 152 updates.

I will probably turn off updates in the next few days and just let it work with whatever it has. The updates mechanism causes the CPU way to much burden anyway.

(Also I bought a new computer that I'm probably going to keep, so this old one will just be a backup or extra in another room)
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Old 11-17-2017, 11:50 AM
 
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I have eventually had Windows Updates issues on 4 of my last 5 computers - desktops and laptops. The Failed messages will get worse - eventually it will just hang on Downloading...

Google this issue and for every 10 people you'll get 30 different "solutions", which seldom seem to work for anyone else. I spent a considerable amount of time 5 years ago trying to fix two computers. Registry cleans, cache clearing, 3rd party utils, windows standalone installed, updating Update, etc.

As you found out, reinstalling Windows will usually solve it. But reinstalling all of the update, not to mention all of your apps, can take a long time and involve lots of effort. My solution now is to just buy a new computer. The Updates issue doesn't seem to crop up the first few years and if I have to go to all that effort I'd just as soon end up with a better computer for it. Then I do a factory restore on the old one and sell it for a song or give it to someone that can use it.

In my mind, Windows Update is the #1 security threat out there. The only thing worse than lacking security is a false sense of security. Aside from the fact that Updates has accustomed everyone to their computer automatically downloading and installing software (typical viral activity), it quite often quits working and doesn't alert the user. You think you're protected and one day find out updates haven't been succeeding for 8 months.

I had a laptop I used for years with no security at all. No AV or anti-malware or anything. Never had a problem. You know why? I never click on links in emails. I don't use crackz and hackz and other pirated warez programs. I don't surf pornsites. I seldom browse sites that are unfamiliar.

It's like being a crime victim. Anyone can fall victim. There are no guarantees in life. But you can greatly reduce your risk by avoiding the bad areas of town, staying off the streets after midnight, and not engaging in criminal activity yourself.
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Old 11-20-2017, 03:28 PM
 
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I have eventually had Windows Updates issues on 4 of my last 5 computers - desktops and laptops. The Failed messages will get worse - eventually it will just hang on Downloading...

Google this issue and for every 10 people you'll get 30 different "solutions", which seldom seem to work for anyone else. I spent a considerable amount of time 5 years ago trying to fix two computers. Registry cleans, cache clearing, 3rd party utils, windows standalone installed, updating Update, etc.

As you found out, reinstalling Windows will usually solve it. But reinstalling all of the update, not to mention all of your apps, can take a long time and involve lots of effort. My solution now is to just buy a new computer. The Updates issue doesn't seem to crop up the first few years and if I have to go to all that effort I'd just as soon end up with a better computer for it. Then I do a factory restore on the old one and sell it for a song or give it to someone that can use it.

In my mind, Windows Update is the #1 security threat out there. The only thing worse than lacking security is a false sense of security. Aside from the fact that Updates has accustomed everyone to their computer automatically downloading and installing software (typical viral activity), it quite often quits working and doesn't alert the user. You think you're protected and one day find out updates haven't been succeeding for 8 months.

I had a laptop I used for years with no security at all. No AV or anti-malware or anything. Never had a problem. You know why? I never click on links in emails. I don't use crackz and hackz and other pirated warez programs. I don't surf pornsites. I seldom browse sites that are unfamiliar.

It's like being a crime victim. Anyone can fall victim. There are no guarantees in life. But you can greatly reduce your risk by avoiding the bad areas of town, staying off the streets after midnight, and not engaging in criminal activity yourself.
Agree with everything you said. It's just to much to haggle with. Not enough time in the week to spend a few hours every week trying to figure out why your computer isn't working perfectly or downloading some update that Windows says is "critical". Use it for it's useful life, and then move on to the next one if needed.
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Old 11-20-2017, 10:58 PM
 
Location: 5,400 feet
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I am using Windows 7 and have the update function set to tell me when updates are available. About a week or two later, I search for any issues caused by the updates. If there are any that cause a problem, I hide the update. Only then will I install any, and then only the critical ones. Never had an update problem.
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