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Old 08-21-2018, 08:41 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Well, they're finally official so what's everyone's thoughts?

I'm pretty underwhelmed. Whopper of a price increase for what, on paper, looks like one of the smallest performance increases we've seen. Still need benchmarks, of course but I'd be surprised if the RTX 2070 is any faster than a GTX 1080 which at best it's the same price. I'd put my money on it being a bit slower, actually, at least on anything but the handful of games that will support realtime ray tracing in 2018/2019.

The realtime ray tracing benefits are no doubt there, and they do really look good in tech demos. But otherwise? Not so exciting especially given the lengthy gap between the generations.
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Old 08-22-2018, 12:20 PM
 
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Yea about that.. um going to wait for another year or 2 to see what games will use its full potential. Till then, sticking with my 1070 ROG as i have yet to max that thing out.

for $1k+ gpu, better do my dishes too.
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Old 08-22-2018, 05:53 PM
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Location: New Jersey
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XRWATUDS7o

Just watched this video and feel a little sick. Most of the Youtube tech guys that I watch seem to be of good ethics, even Jay, the guy in this video. However here he sounds like such a shill. NVIDIA makes awesome stuff and I myself am using a GTX 960 that works well enough. There's just not enough oomph in the AMD cards for me to leave NVIDIA. GeForce cards are more power efficient and quiet and that's what I like without sacrificing performance.

No matter how much I like their products, the truth is they are a deceptive, anti-consumer, GREEDY company. And I agree with the points made in the posts above. 1000 series and 900 series are fine. To me it's like the 1000 series was just released because I think of NVIDIA as a generation back because the new stuff is always ridiculous price gouging. But some sucker will always pay max for the "best" and these people hurt everyone else by fueling the greed. NVIDIA and Intel have had a free ride for years (Intel finally got CHECKED by zen) and it sucks for component prices with the lack of competition.

Some tech outlets that I find to be of the "unshillable fanboy" variety are Kyle Bennett of Hardocp.com, Tech Jesus Steve Burke at Gamers Nexus, and that South African kid at UDF tech puts out some decent advice. Also AdoredTV is pretty good on Youtube.

Nvidia pushing technology and greed forward as standard. I'll never pay $500 for a graphics card, what a joke.

(also I wish CityData had a bigger tech enthusiast audience on this forum, I don't use reddit hehe)

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Old 08-23-2018, 10:13 AM
 
Location: Vallejo
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I kind of see Jay's point.

Problem is on a demo where the $1,200 card can achieve playable frame rates at 1080p just means its out of reach. Yes, technically it's very impressive but it's a $1,200 card that can only get 30-40 fps. Preproduction, optimization, blah blah stuff aside Nvidia controlled the timing on this. If it wasn't close to ready, another three or six months wouldn't change anything. It's been forever coming anyway and there's no competition. Unless we see huge optimization improvements, it's simply out of reach at $1,200 for a card that can barely do it. It's just the new will it play crysis of 2018. Unless you've got $1,200 to budget for a video card the answer is no so it doesn't matter.

That leaves how does the RTX actually perform in real games without ray-tracing, which was conspicuously absent from benchmarks. We simply do not know. If you accept that 20-30% faster than current generation, the question is why? If that's true, once again, the only thing that makes sense is the RTX 2080 ti. $1,200 is a ton of money to spend for 20-30% more performance than a GTX 1080 Ti which you can buy for $650-700 but it's still 20-30% more performance. For the rest of the cards they just don't make any sense. If you want 20-30% more performance than a GTX 1070, go buy a 1080. It's cheaper than a RTX 2070.

That's really disappointing gains. Typically you do see at least that much improvement between generations, so xx70 of the new generation is normally as fast, if not faster, than the xx80 of the previous generation. Usually faster. It's also usually not accompanied with a massive price increase. Of course there's a lot more going on with Turing with the AI core and deep learning, but unless that translates to gaming performance, so what. Need benchmarks. Don't have benchmarks. But then I guess that's why he starts off with don't pre-order. Although yeah, it's phrased in a pro-Nvidia light even though the ultimate conclusion is don't pre-order and wait and see if there's real benefits such as the hyped 2070 as fast as a GTX 1080 ti hype.
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Old 08-23-2018, 10:22 AM
 
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Nvidia pushing technology and greed forward as standard. I'll never pay $500 for a graphics card, what a joke.

(also I wish CityData had a bigger tech enthusiast audience on this forum, I don't use reddit hehe)
Depends on what you're doing. A 960 might work for many, but it'd be useless for me since I game in 4K. I have a 1070 and it works for what I need, I don't need a 1080 or need to upgrade to a 2070. Even my 970 from awhile back struggled a bit in 4K, and I don't play anything particularly taxing.

That said, I went with a Ryzen 7 2700x when I had to replace my motherboard/processor - I wasn't going to by a Z370/Intel 8 series and wind up with a dead end upgrade path since there's pretty much zero chance it'll be compatible with the 9th gen Cores coming out. I've been happy with it so far.
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Old 08-23-2018, 10:51 AM
 
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I’m glad I bought the 1080 Ti hybrid on sale. That should last me for years.
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Old 08-24-2018, 08:39 AM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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The 1080 Ti was $700 when it was released. Now we're doubling that? ********* Nvidia...
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Old 08-24-2018, 12:31 PM
 
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The 1080 Ti was $700 when it was released. Now we're doubling that? ********* Nvidia...
Don't forget the price premium when miners start snapping them up. It'll go from $1,200 to $2,400 overnight.
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Old 08-24-2018, 01:15 PM
 
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I’m glad I bought the 1080 Ti hybrid on sale. That should last me for years.

Yep... I built my 7700k/1080 Ti system at retail price when the card came out in March 2017... and it still benchmarks near the top almost 18 months later. I bought the Founder's card and then installed the EVGA hybrid kit when it released a few weeks later. Man what a difference in temps it was... nearly cut my temps in half.

I haven't paid much attention to the RTX card announcement other than to read the email that Nvidia sent me. Is it true it's $1200 and only a 6-8% increase over the 1080 Ti?

Definitely don't need it.
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Old 08-26-2018, 05:01 PM
 
Location: Cleveland, Ohio
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I buy the lower gen anyway. IMO it's always the best at price to performance.
My 1070 still destroys everything i throw at it. 2070 is 'only' $599.
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