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Old 08-01-2008, 01:27 PM
 
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I didn't believe that news either. Laptops are not as durable as desktops, not really that upgradeable like desktops, and are more expensive than desktops on the whole.

Yes, there are people who need or like laptops - whatever floats their boat.

I would be sad for me too if desktops seize to exist anymore - my then finding desktop computers on the curb and fixing them up or collecting parts from them as a hobby would be "exterminated".
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Old 08-01-2008, 01:34 PM
 
Location: NW Arkansas
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I thought you were talking about real 'curtains' too .

I prefer a desktop, and always will....but then, I'm an old gal.
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Old 08-04-2008, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Land of Thought and Flow
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The same technology that lets laptops gets smaller also keeps desktops ahead of them. Laptop hard drives are getting bigger all the time. They're up to 320GB now. But you can get a 1TB (and faster too) hard drive for a desktop for about the same cost.
Only 320GB? I do remember an article from the beginning of this year about Hitachi's newest laptop drive. It's a 500GB - and as I said, the biggest constraint is the size. If you want super portable, you're not going to have the room for all of the extra goodies.


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And how do you consider laptops upgradable? Tell me, how to you replace the soldered-on video in a laptop? Or add 5 internal USB ports? Or replace the DVD-RW with an off the shelf blue ray burner? And you're not going to upgrade the motherboard on a laptop. IF you could get the part (unlikely) you could replace a bad board, but you're never going to take a Pentium 4 based laptop and upgrade it to a Core 2 Duo based system.
Well, I would never buy a laptop with a soldered-on video card, hence this article was one reason why I purchased the E1705. As for adding 5 internal USB ports, could just use an external hub, solder and install a hub internally (if you have room, of course), or use one of these. And now that they offer new laptops with Blu-Ray reader/writers, I'm pretty sure that you can order them to replace what is currently on the laptop. Don't know about all laptops, but mine is just wired in (just like a desktop).

And as for the last statement, that too is far from true. I may not have taken a Pentium 4 to a Core 2, but I have upgraded a friend to having the original Core Duo. She just didn't have the room or battery capacity for the Core 2. However, this involved acquiring a laptop with a broken screen off of ebay as it was easier and cheaper..

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For the most part laptops are not upgradeable, sure you can add RAM, a larger hard drive, but on most you cannot upgrade the graphics or audio, some the CPU, few if any will accept a motherboard different than the one that it was designed for, and replaceing a laptop motherboard can be a daunting task, not for the faint of heart, or the geek squad.
And again, I will point to the above statements (with links). And the latest wave of laptops are really just shells that the manufacturer puts together. Many will solder their parts together so that the consumer has to go through them to upgrade - or will have to just buy a new one. But I will agree that changing out a motherboard is time consuming and a very daunting task.

You have to factor in battery capacity, positioning, room, etc. Not to mention going through all of those tiny parts isn't for everybody.

Personally, I'll just stay with having both and be happy. ((Yeah, I'll defend my laptop passionately, but don't tell it that I love my glowing desktop more!!))
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Old 08-04-2008, 11:00 AM
 
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Great, you found ONE laptop with a replaceable video card and it requires major surgery to perform. And good luck getting a newer card that fits in two years when really need it. Now what about the other 95% of laptops with integrated or soldered down video?

As for the optical drive, there's a hundred different designs requiring various degrees of work to replace. Again, IF you can get the part. I know more than one person with a proprietary optical drive that the laptop maker won't replace because the machine is a couple years old and out of production. In one case, Dell's "replacement" was a big honkin' 5.25" external USB CD-RW.
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Old 08-04-2008, 11:35 AM
 
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I don't know. Laptops may be in bigger trouble than desktops over the long haul. Have you taken a long hard look at the iPhone? It could render traditional laptops useless. Consider that if a person has a desktop and only needs data portability, not program portability, the iPhone is all they need.

And, if you have to have a cell phone already, the added cost of making it a smart phone is nominal.
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Old 08-04-2008, 02:26 PM
 
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Great, you found ONE laptop with a replaceable video card and it requires major surgery to perform. And good luck getting a newer card that fits in two years when really need it. Now what about the other 95% of laptops with integrated or soldered down video?
More people could find the one if they did their research. Also, the 17" allows for more room for disassembling and moving things around as needed. It may not be super portable, but it does have some room compared to the 15 or 13" laptops. I can only imagine the tight squeeze on the laptops that are the super thin! And while some might consider it "major surgery", I would probably do it in my spare time for fun.

And as for integrated and soldered, I've worked with them, and it usually meant thrift store hunting, and ebay searching. I'll also note that I've started to see a rise in desktops for integrated parts. Just don't ask me why behooves them to have integrated NICs. Baffles me.

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As for the optical drive, there's a hundred different designs requiring various degrees of work to replace.
And that's the kind of stuff that keeps my father employed.

But you are right - there are no standards for laptops. The biggest reason is because it does take a lot of work to upgrade and companies are making more money in replacement thereof. However, once a standard has been established, it shouldn't be as "hard" as it currently is.

We just have to take everything in baby steps - and hope that companies can eventually conform to a standard. But there will be a need for specialists because of the size of the components against the amount of space available in the system. Not to mention the battery aspect has to be taken into effect.

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I don't know. Laptops may be in bigger trouble than desktops over the long haul. Have you taken a long hard look at the iPhone? It could render traditional laptops useless. Consider that if a person has a desktop and only needs data portability, not program portability, the iPhone is all they need.

And, if you have to have a cell phone already, the added cost of making it a smart phone is nominal.
If one only needs data portability, all that needs to be done is to either purchase an external hard drive... or buy an internal hard drive and a casing for it. I personally have three externals for that reason.

And I think the ease of portability (program and data) is what makes laptops a lot more popular amongst the school age crowd.

And again, I'll stick with having both. I love my desktop for what I use it for, and I love my laptop for what I use it for. And for the majority, I would think that most people would agree that both have their pluses and minuses.

Though, I loved my laptop when we were stuck in the same spot for four hours. Laptop + House season 1 on DVD + Traffic = MARATHON.
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Old 08-04-2008, 02:31 PM
 
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Right now my own mother is hoping that the electronic specialists tell her that her desktop computer is fried (house fire). The reason is because she never uses the system - so I talked with her about changing up to a laptop. Currently she has a desk that she would love to actually use, but has the computer on it.

With a laptop, she can just put the darn thing away, leaving a nice desk for her to actually use. And with her (still using Windows 98 SE), I wouldn't have to worry about upgrading her at any point.

But again, the size factor is another reason why laptops have become popular. They're small and take up minimal space. Great for someone in a dorm or small living quarters.
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Old 08-04-2008, 02:43 PM
 
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I don't know. Laptops may be in bigger trouble than desktops over the long haul. Have you taken a long hard look at the iPhone? It could render traditional laptops useless. Consider that if a person has a desktop and only needs data portability, not program portability, the iPhone is all they need.

And, if you have to have a cell phone already, the added cost of making it a smart phone is nominal.
I'm a happy iPhone owner. But let's not get carried away. The iPhone is an amazing tool but it can't do everything a laptop can do. The touch screen is no substitute for a full keyboard. My laptop (admittedly, it's pretty big) las a full keyboard and a number pad. There's no way I can type as fast on my iPhone. And there aren't a lot of ways to get data in and out of the iPhone. You can make notes, calendar entries, and contacts, and then sync them with your desktop, but you can't transfer files onto and off of the iPhone, not as you could with a laptop or even with a PDA. You can email documents to yourself and read them, but you can't edit them. So if you're out of the office and you actually have to make revisions to something, you're out of luck. Not only that, you can only read word/wordperfect, .pdf, and excel files, so if you have something larger you need to transport you're out of luck. You can't plug in a USB drive or insert a CD or DVD, so I'm really not sure what you're saying about "data portability."

That said, if your reason for carrying a laptop is to keep up with email and browse the web, an iPhone would perform those functions just fine.
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Old 08-04-2008, 03:02 PM
 
Location: Detroit Downriver
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I'm a happy iPhone owner.

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You can't plug in a USB drive or insert a CD or DVD, so I'm really not sure what you're saying about "data portability."

That said, if your reason for carrying a laptop is to keep up with email and browse the web, an iPhone would perform those functions just fine.
You hit the nail on the head in your last sentence. But, I was also speaking to the trend in electronics. More cellphone functionality will come. It's just a matter of time.
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Old 08-05-2008, 01:34 AM
 
Location: Northglenn, Colorado
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Just as there are desktops for various purposes, the same goes for laptops.

If you want a superlight and super portable laptop to go everywhere, it's not going to have as much room as a laptop built to just sit on a desk. When I was looking for a laptop, I realized that I wanted a powerful laptop and didn't care about the size or weight.

However, as technology gets smaller and smaller, laptops will eventually replace desktops for the majority.

And if laptops weren't upgradable, how could makers like Dell be able to offer low and high end parts for the same shell? The reason is because laptops are VERY upgradable. But unless you know what you're doing, it would probably be better to have your local Geek Squad install that new motherboard for your laptop.
I am sorry, but they are not as upgradeable as some might think. The range of graphics cards that are laptop compliant is dismal at best. there are several hundred available for your typically desktop computer whereas the usual two options for laptops. As for multi-media / design or even gaming, your best bet is a desktop. Far cheaper to upgrade when it is time as well.
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