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Old 01-01-2009, 02:31 AM
 
Location: Greenfield, Mo.
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What do you say to people who say they're the only one who uses their computer and they never download anything or do any "funny business" on the Internet? I mean its so painfully obvious that someone did something stupid when there's an Antivirus 2009 icon on their desktop, they're being overrun with popups, every search is highjacked and redirected, and MalwareBytes won't even install. They'll deny, deny, deny till the cows come up but it doesn't change the fact that spyware and viruses don't just come out of thin air. Heck, I purposely tried to infect IE6 in a VM one night by searching for porn, warez, and cracks and I couldn't do it until i actually deliberately clicked to download and run things. Yes, I know about zero day drive-by downloads but I think those are pretty rare compared to the things that idiots click on blindly. "Yes, I really do want a free spyware scan and smileys for my email."
Not to derail this thread but Antivirus 2009 is now a non-user installed 'program'. Meaning that the user doesn't have to 'ok' it to be installed.

There are ways around the 'new' 2009 problem, but it does take a lot of time. IMPO, it is easier to just restage the machine and be done with it. You bring your computer to my shop with the newer version of this 'program' and it will cost you about 200.00 +/- to remove it.
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Old 01-01-2009, 08:24 AM
 
Location: Arden, NC
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I use both. Bought a Mac Mini 3 years ago. After delivery I installed an external HD, reinstalled OS X on it. I've never had any problems at all and this machine gets heavy use by me and the kids. It's been solid.

My windows machines have been ok but I'm more likely to tinker with them. I still believe that winrot is a real thing....after a while you have to reimage to get things like they were.

I've never had a virus/malware issue on the mac but then again I don't run as root. On my XP box I've had a more than a few things try to infect my system but they don't get too far thanks to the AV and spyware stuff I run (along with power user group).

I think it all boils down to what you want to do with it. Anything I can do on my work PC I can do on the mac except programming (SQL 2008 and Access) but I can RDP into work from home and do things remotely. There are rcon clients for OS X so I can manage my netware boxes from home too.
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Old 01-01-2009, 10:08 AM
 
Location: Beautiful place in Virginia
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I just bought a Macbook Pro. I installed programs in a fraction of the time it took with the New Vista interface on my daughter's computer.

I have run Windows since 1.0. I am happy with my new Mac OS X.
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Old 01-01-2009, 11:53 AM
 
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Not to derail this thread but Antivirus 2009 is now a non-user installed 'program'. Meaning that the user doesn't have to 'ok' it to be installed.
How is it getting installed? Is there I web site I can go to that will install it automatically? I'd like to see it in action.
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Old 01-01-2009, 03:26 PM
 
Location: Arden, NC
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I had one client who had it, she gave herself admin rights. I looked through her history files and she got it when she opened msn.com....i tell them (a) don't put yourself in the admin group and (b) don't use msn as your homepage. It "installs" itself in a directory called antivirus 2009 with a couple of files. You can kill the process and it will stop, then you can delete that directory. In 3 of the machines I cleaned of this PITA 2 had a couple of infected DLLs, one didn't. There seems to be a new one that's out now that is a lot more invasive.
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Old 01-04-2009, 09:28 PM
 
Location: MO Ozarkian in NE Hoosierana
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Four years ago I bought a new MAC and a new IBM Thinkpad. I have never had any trouble with me MAC, but I did upgrade the memory. On the other hand I have had several problems with my IBM. The first thing I discovered was that I did not have the disks for the OS and I knew sooner or later that would get me. Even though I always had virus protection, Norton and Bit Defender, I still managed to get a virus that cost me a few hundred dollars and a lost of data. Recently I get "operating system not found" which could be a bad HD, virus, or something else. I had been thinking about replacing my old IBM as current pc's have so much more to offer, but now that it is down again, I am thinking about just buying a Apple laptop. My four year old MAC still performs perfectly and I have no problems with virus's, adware or spyware. The pc may look cheaper on the purchase price, but in the long run the cost of virus protection, repairs, and recoveries will exceed any savings.
There, I think I talk myself into another MAC.
Comments appreciatated.
Well donsabi - you've seen some replies & opinions since you've started this thread... any more thoughts? Any answers to the questions in the 2nd post? More you specify your needs, better advice others can give ya

As said in another similar thread - I use both, and while like some aspects of the Windows world [XP specifically], I overall much prefer Apple's OSX. As to it being difficult to use, yea,,, but once a person gets their mind wrapped into thinking the "Apple way", it is [for many people] quite easy, intuitive, and faster.
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Old 01-06-2009, 10:15 AM
 
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I don't want to get into the middle of a Mac/PC flame war, because only Ubergeeks get hot and bothered by such things.

However, I was a long-time PC user who switched to Mac a few years ago. Now, mind you, I basically run MS Office, AppleMail, and few other programs. That's it. If your business relies on more specialized software, then you obvious need whatever platform it runs on.

All that being said, I'd like to address the costs of Mac vs. PC. There is, of course, the hard costs of what you pay for the computer itself. On the other hand, I don't think people realize the hidden costs of using PCs vs. Macs.

I bill my clients $100/hour. So every time I had to stop what I was doing on a PC and go through a convoluted install, a crash, or any other of the million things that PC users endure, the lost billing time was mounting up. Compare that to my four-year-old Mac which has had ONE crash. One crash in four years of heavy usage. Never lost a file. Never had a virus. My peripherals and upgrades install effortlessly, etc. etc. To me, the time savings more than compensate for the few hundred extra bucks I pay at the front end. Heck, even if it's a $500 difference, that's only five billable hours for me.
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Old 01-06-2009, 11:04 AM
 
Location: kcmo
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I bill my clients $100/hour. So every time I had to stop what I was doing on a PC and go through a convoluted install, a crash, or any other of the million things that PC users endure, the lost billing time was mounting up. Compare that to my four-year-old Mac which has had ONE crash. One crash in four years of heavy usage. Never lost a file. Never had a virus. My peripherals and upgrades install effortlessly, etc. etc. To me, the time savings more than compensate for the few hundred extra bucks I pay at the front end. Heck, even if it's a $500 difference, that's only five billable hours for me.
Wow, that's great must be impossible to use windows without crashes, convoluted installs etc.

Ohh, that's right it isn't cause I do that all the time.. you should raise your rates.. I charge $120 an hour for my services on windows.. after all mac is a specialty market that needs specialty prices.. where as in my market you can find people doing it for $10 an hour see bestbuy/geeksquad employee’s..
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Old 01-09-2009, 11:06 PM
 
Location: Some place very cold
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I spend about 15 hours a day on my computer -- sad, but true.

I used to own PCs, but then I switched to a Mac in 2004.

When I had a PC, I used to spend half my time troubleshooting problems and fighting off viruses. It was such a waste of time.

I'm very happy with the Mac OS. Never had any trouble with viruses or stuff like that. Works great and does everything I need it to.

Woofers
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Old 01-10-2009, 12:42 AM
 
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People who spend half their time troubleshooting problems and fighting off viruses are their own worst enemy. I spend exactly ZERO time fighting viruses or spyware on any of the computers in my house. Other problems are pretty rare. Now if you're going to buy an HP loaded to the gills with crapware, then load up 15 IE toolbars and blindly click on every "free offer" you see on the net, I guess you should by a mac because its obvious you lack the common sense required to keep a PC out of the STD clinic.
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