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Old 11-20-2010, 01:45 PM
 
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I think it's sort of creepy that for some people, even the most heinous crimes don't seem to elicit any sense of real outrage.
I wasn't aware that the new definition of "outrage" was "breathlessly fantasizing on the Internet, in almost-pornographic detail, about taking violent revenge on convicted murderers". If that's your definition, you can count me out.

More seriously: look, crimes such as these are incalculably horrible. What the victims suffered in life, and what they lost in death, is beyond our comprehension. I think we can all agree on that.

But to use this crime as an opportunity for onanistic fantasies about what-I'd-like-to-do-to-them-bad-guys...it just seems to me to further insult the victim. People who foam at the mouth with calls for violent reprisal claim that they're doing it on behalf of the victims, but they're really doing it for themselves: to assuage their own sense of persecution; to exult in the feeling of having power over another human being; or more charitably, to find some way of dealing with the infinite horror of human cruelty.

Personally, I'm a pragmatist. I haven't 100% made up my mind about capital punishment, but if the death penalty ensures that these two murderers are removed from society at minimal cost, fine. But no one should kid themselves into thinking that, by enthusiastically posting torture narratives on the Internet, they're somehow acting on behalf of the victims.

Something tells me that if you could ask Dr. Petit's wife and daughter, what would be most important to them is that they be remembered as human beings -- with all their quirks, foibles, kindnesses and frailties -- and not merely as figureheads whose former existence is but a pretext for Big Men on the Internet to bellow about their craving for violent catharsis.
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Old 11-20-2010, 01:53 PM
 
Location: CT
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Something tells me that if you could ask Dr. Petit's wife and daughter, what would be most important to them is that they be remembered as human beings -- with all their quirks, foibles, kindnesses and frailties -- and not merely as figureheads whose former existence is but a pretext for Big Men on the Internet to bellow about their craving for violent catharsis.
Something tells me that Dr. Petit would have a alternate description for you...And not nearly as scholarly as you'd like to put it.
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Old 11-20-2010, 02:02 PM
 
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Something tells me that Dr. Petit would have a alternate description for you...And not nearly as scholarly as you'd like to put it.
Dr. Petit probably has a hell of a lot of desire for revenge, and that's fine. But I don't think his wife and daughter would want to be remembered mainly for how their life ended -- or to be used as a bumper-sticker slogan for people who know nothing about them.

What I can also tell you is that I've extensively studied interviews with Holocaust survivors (who are among the few people to have experienced something like what Dr. Petit has), and in my experience what they wanted most is for their family, friends, etc. to not be forgotten. Among dozens of concentration camp survivors, none of them clamored for vengeance against the Germans, whether on their behalf or that of their deceased loved ones. I found that very striking, since I was expecting them to want Germany leveled, its fields sowed with salt, etc.

(The only guy who did seem to harbor bloodlust was someone who never saw the inside of a concentration camp, and who didn't lose any family in the Holocaust IIRC. Somehow that reminds me of this thread.)
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Old 11-20-2010, 02:11 PM
 
Location: CT
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(The only guy who did seem to harbor bloodlust was someone who never saw the inside of a concentration camp, and who didn't lose any family in the Holocaust IIRC. Somehow that reminds me of this thread.)

One does need not experience something to find it reprehensible.
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Old 11-20-2010, 02:13 PM
 
Location: Fairfield, CT
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As far as I know, California has Life without Parole and did when Charles Manson was convicted. If he was given that at the time, the California Supreme Court case that struck down capital punishment wouldn't apply to him (which was a bit of a fluke anyway). And that's just one guy. You said you feared that "bleeding heart" liberals would just set these guys free as a overall movement. So where's the "Empty the Prisons and Give Each Killer $20k Foundation of Iowa," huh?

~Cheers
Back in the 1960s, liberals made a big push for more 'compassionate' treatment of criminals and more respect for their 'rights.' Crime soared as a result. So in order to be nicer to criminals and respect their rights, law-abiding people in many neighborhoods lost their rights to go out at night safely, or even live safely in their own homes.

Then we had a counterreaction and became tougher on criminals. As we speak, many liberals are pushing for liberalization of certain laws, reduction of sentences, etc. The cycle is starting again, and if it continues, we'll see increased crime that affects the rights of innocent people.
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Old 11-20-2010, 02:13 PM
 
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One does need not experience something to find it reprehensible.
At this point I don't even know what you think you're arguing against.
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Old 11-20-2010, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Yakima WA
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What does an execution per day do for you personally?

Are you at all concerned that with that many executions the process would receive less scrutiny? Should we not take every precaution to prevent executing an innocent man or woman? What about juveniles and the mentally retarded... Should we still execute them?
An execution a day would give me a nice feeling. A sense that there is justice. It sends a message that murder is absolutely not tolerated. If it was used that frequently it would make some others think twice before they murder. I also believe that the balance of humanity as a whole would be sweeter and nicer everytime a murderer is eliminated from the population. .

Yes I am concerned that only the guilty get executed. There are many many cases where the guilt is not in doubt due to DNA, cameras etc. In the current setup plenty of innocent people do in fact die...not those on death row...but crime victims who would be alive today if our society wasn't so soft on crime.

I strongly favor executing juvenilles. I can remember being as young as 4 or 5 and reflecting on how murder is wrong..the single worst thing you can do to anyone.. Everyone is born with this knowledge/instinct..it's called conscience. Teenage killers know very well what they are doing is wrong, they should get no slack.

I also favor executing mentally retarded killers. It doesn't take a high IQ to know the difference between right and wrong. Many of the mentally retarded in fact have a sweet disposition..most would never kill anyone...those who do should pay the price.
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Old 11-20-2010, 02:20 PM
 
Location: Fairfield County, CT
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An execution a day would give me a nice feeling....I strongly favor executing juvenilles.
wow.
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Old 11-20-2010, 02:36 PM
 
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Connecticut has 7 or 8 people on death row. I think the most recent person sentenced to death before Hayes was that monster drug dealer in Bridgeport who killed the mother and her son to prevent the son from testifying against him in another murder case.
Peeler. His brother and the skanky crack ho that set up the Clarke/Browne family should have been sentenced to the DP as well.
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Old 11-20-2010, 02:44 PM
 
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I strongly favor executing juvenilles.
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I also favor executing mentally retarded killers.
Ah, i see where you're coming from now with your "bleeding heart" bullcrap.
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