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Old 11-22-2010, 12:37 AM
 
Location: Texas
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HeadedWest,

More than half of undocumented workers file tax returns to the Federal Government. In their own name.
How do they get Social Security numbers?
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Old 11-22-2010, 12:39 AM
 
Location: Texas
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I'm really not convinced that there is an "anchor baby" epidemic.
I take it you haven't lived in a border state.
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Old 11-22-2010, 07:37 AM
 
Location: New England
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I take it you haven't lived in a border state.


Although we are a border state in regard to NY escapees. lol
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Old 11-22-2010, 10:16 AM
 
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I'm probably more left-wing than the majority of the posters here. Having said that, a few years ago I went with my young son to his doctor's office for a flu shot. Upon arrival we were informed that the office only had vaccines for children with "state cards." At first I thought they were kidding, they weren't...... it was a watershed event for me. We moved to another doctor's office and received the flu shot but it wasn't easy and I felt hassled for having private health insurance.

I certainly want everyone to have opportunity and healthcare, especially children. But my son has to have it too. What it boils down to is that I would be livid if an illlegal alien was to take a spot in college away from my son. I just say what most people honestly think.
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Old 11-22-2010, 10:40 AM
 
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How do they get Social Security numbers?
They don't need an SS number. And no, I haven't lived in a boarder state. But that said I've never been real close to a star, but I know a lot of facts about their chemistry and physics. Since the "anchor-baby" concept only really comes around tight primary matches and then is quickly abandoned by most general elections I'm not concerned and have a pretty good idea why they use that term.

Above all that: how is that the kid's fault?

~Cheers
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Old 11-22-2010, 10:42 AM
 
Location: New England
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No matter what you think the reason was, the letter of the law is quite clear: if you're born here, you're a US citizen. The line about "and subject to the jurisdiction thereof" was meant to provide for the children of ambassadors, but it doesn't matter, because the law as written unambiguously provides jus soli for anyone who's born here. There's no need to speculate about intent, because it's irrelevant -- the law is quite straightforward.

I find it amusing that in one paragraph you're going on about how bad it is to try to interpret the laws and understand their intent, and in the next paragraph you're invoking intent to justify your case. The "black and white" simply doesn't support your stance; what you want to see isn't there, regardless of the legislators' intent. As I said before: if you don't like the way things are, amend the Constitution.
I find it funny that you are using the law to protect those who are breaking the law.

Is one protected by the "law" while breaking it? That is the fudemental difference. If someone came here LEGALLY on vacation etc and had a child, yes I believe they would have citizenship or dual citizenship. However, when someone comes here ILLEGALLY just for the sake of having a child, how can the law now protect them in the process? How can they be granted rights when they are not supposed to be here in the first place?
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Old 11-22-2010, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Fairfield County, CT
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Above all that: how is that the kid's fault?
Above that, how is that OUR fault, and why are WE being penalized for it?
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Old 11-22-2010, 10:48 AM
 
Location: Fairfield County, CT
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I find it funny that you are using the law to protect those who are breaking the law.
So to be consistent you must also find it funny that we have legal arrests, grand juries, warrants, trials, miranda rights, appeals, juries, etc. All of these are written in to law and, at least partially, protect those who are breaking the law.
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Old 11-22-2010, 11:27 AM
 
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Above that, how is that OUR fault, and why are WE being penalized for it?
If they are paying their taxes, which the vast majority are, then why should they pay for your just general dislike of their status?

~Cheers
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Old 11-22-2010, 11:39 AM
 
Location: Fairfield County, CT
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If they are paying their taxes, which the vast majority are, then why should they pay for your just general dislike of their status?

~Cheers
The "vast majority"? Last time I checked, half or "just over half" as you suggested, isn't "vast majority". You provided a Wiki source (awful), so I'd be willing to bet that that vast majority DO NOT pay taxes.

I have yet to see any factual evidence that shows the vast majority are contributing to our economy.
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