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Old 02-23-2011, 09:05 AM
 
Location: Texas
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Now, imagine how home prices would be affected if everyone suddenly paid 5% or 10% less in taxes a year.
If that were true, houses would cost more in Dallas than they do in San Diego or Stamford.
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Old 02-23-2011, 09:35 AM
 
Location: New England
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I think there is a difference between being priced out of the state and not being able to live the lifestyle one desires within the state. If you live in a 350K house you can't afford in Avon-- leaving the state is not your only option. You could move to a more affordable town, and rain in your own spending. I live very well below my means, and, therefore, affording the small tax increase is no big deal.

I know this is easier for me as a single guy, but, a lot of people purchased too much house and over-committed financially during the boom years. I know this is not the case for everybody, but definitely the case for some. Some claim that these taxes have made the state unaffordable, when it's their consumption oriented lifestyle that is truly the culprit....
Just stop, please. Yes we should all drive hoopties and live in small homes so we can pay more in taxes.

We live in a 60 year old home (Redone nicely by myself) in Manchester of all baller places, my wife drives a 5 year old Hyundai and up till recently I drove a 15 year old truck. We do Mexican "take out" maybe twice a month as a treat.

I was just looking around in East Longmeadow MA and Westerly RI. You know what? Take away vehicle taxes and cut my property taxes in half like they would be there and with a similar home I'm in now, and it's almost doable to keep my wife home and cut out daycare costs.

These are neighboring states with half the property taxes alone and in some ways are doing better than we are.

Go ahead and say Mass has crappy schools, high crime etc compared to CT.

It's easy to say you live below your means when you are single and only live in your place 6-7 days a month. The rest of us have to support families, mortgage and live here full time.
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Old 02-23-2011, 09:37 AM
 
Location: Fairfield County, CT
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Just stop, please. Yes we should all drive hoopties and live in small homes so we can pay more in taxes.

We live in a 60 year old home (Redone nicely by myself) in Manchester of all baller places, my wife drives a 5 year old Hyundai and up till recently I drove a 15 year old truck. We do Mexican "take out" maybe twice a month as a treat.

I was just looking around in East Longmeadow MA and Westerly RI. You know what? Take away vehicle taxes and cut my property taxes in half like they would be there and with a similar home I'm in now, and it's almost doable to keep my wife home and cut out daycare costs.

These are neighboring states with half the property taxes alone and in some ways are doing better than we are.

Go ahead and say Mass has crappy schools, high crime etc compared to CT.
Not everything is about you. My post may not apply in your case. There are plenty of families struggling. There are also plenty of families making little over 100K in 300K homes with an Audi and a Suburban....

My bet even if we cut state taxes 20% many of the families who are struggling would still be struggling...
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Old 02-23-2011, 09:40 AM
 
Location: New England
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Not everything is about you.
Or you.

I do think I represent more the demographic that's getting crushed in this state, then you do. Married, two kids, homeowner, HH income roughly 100K.

Yea when I was single living with a roomate, making enough money to choke a goat...I lived below my means too.

To respond to your late edit: By changing my zipcode, I can save $600.00 per month just on property and income taxes. You might not think that's a lot, but to a family it's huge. So yea, lets raise taxes some more.
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Old 02-23-2011, 09:42 AM
 
Location: Fairfield County, CT
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Not everything is about you.
It's about the better part of the middle class population, as most people aren't single with a high income. I would guess the majority of people between 25-45 are in a similar boat as JV (and me).

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There are also plenty of families making little over 100K in 300K homes with an Audi and a Suburban.....
How do you know this?
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Old 02-23-2011, 09:43 AM
 
Location: Fairfield County, CT
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Or you.

I do think I represent more the demographic that's getting crushed in this state, then you do. Married, two kids, homeowner, HH income roughly 100K.

Yea when I was single living with a roomate, making enough money to choke a goat...I lived below my means too.
I grew up in a family that lived below its means. When my father died at 53 my mother was more than able to continue to live the same lifestyle without earning a single penny for the rest of her life.

That scales to everyone. My brother and his wife have two kids, live in Enfield in a lovely home, and don't struggle very much at all. Their income is about 100K as well. They pay the same taxes you and I do. They go out to eat more than once a month... It is totally possibly to live comfortably in Connecticut with a family on 100K.

If the additional $800 or so in taxes breaks you, something is wrong.
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Old 02-23-2011, 09:53 AM
 
Location: New England
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If the additional $800 or so in taxes breaks you, something is wrong.
You are so far detatched from reality it's not even funny. Ask the guy who's family makes around $100K and was waiting tables for extra money if that's the case. Maybe he just likes getting out of the house more. (<-- It's someone closer to this discussion than you would think. )

I guess you can polish up your crystal ball and tell me how much daycare costs, how much we put down on our home and what our mortgage rate is, what "life circumstances" we as a family endured that almost bankrupted us in the past...etc
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Old 02-23-2011, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Fairfield County, CT
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It's about the better part of the middle class population, as most people aren't single with a high income. I would guess the majority of people between 25-45 are in a similar boat as JV (and me).



How do you know this?
Of course, most people aren't single with a high income. Most people don't have a high income at all.

However, it doesn't take a genius to observe the amount of consumption going on in Connecticut. Restaurants are crowded. 21,000 people purchased tickets to the Whale game last weekend. The casino is still jammed on a Saturday night.

I'm not saying people should live like nuns, but the average person spends a lot of money on things beyond what they care to admit is practical.
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Old 02-23-2011, 10:00 AM
 
Location: New England
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Of course, most people aren't single with a high income. Most people don't have a high income at all.

However, it doesn't take a genius to observe the amount of consumption going on in Connecticut. Restaurants are crowded. 21,000 people purchased tickets to the Whale game last weekend. The casino is still jammed on a Saturday night.

I'm not saying people should live like nuns, but the average person spends a lot of money on things beyond what they care to admit is practical.
Seriously? How can you even make a statement like that? You know this how? Because a fraction of our population went to a hockey game? ROFL

I'll say it again. Detached.
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Old 02-23-2011, 10:15 AM
 
Location: Fairfield County, CT
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Of course, most people aren't single with a high income. Most people don't have a high income at all.

However, it doesn't take a genius to observe the amount of consumption going on in Connecticut. Restaurants are crowded. 21,000 people purchased tickets to the Whale game last weekend. The casino is still jammed on a Saturday night.

I'm not saying people should live like nuns, but the average person spends a lot of money on things beyond what they care to admit is practical.
I have to agree with JV here. How is that any indication that people are spending beyond their means? Going by crowded restaurants, and hockey games? I'd guess that most of the people at the casino aren't even from Connecticut! There are a ton of people from RI, MA and NY who frequent the casino.

I believe that until one makes the sacrifices that come along with providing for a family, they will never understand. I never did, and then I got married, had kids and purchased a [crappy] house. That $800 you speak of that should be no big deal, immediately turned into gold.
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