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Old 07-01-2011, 08:57 AM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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DOD is only 18%. Your social services add up to over 60%.

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1. I don't think SS and Medicare are welfare programs, they're social insurance.

2. The misleading Fed pie chart doesn't (for reasons beyond my comprehension) include the expenditures for the wars we are engaging in, nor expenditures for past military (VA) in the DOD budget. When you add those numbers in you get closer to 45% of the Federal expenditures on Defense (Maybe it should be offense...).

The non-partisan Office of Management and Budget has stated that if we simply let the bush tax cutes expire and cut back on war spending the deficit will disappear. The debt is another story.
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Old 07-01-2011, 09:04 AM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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JViello, Mlassoff does not deal in facts. Thanks for adding the government spending pie.

And yes, the cuts will need to come all over, with the biggest chunk via the biggest usage-entitlements/social services. Otherwise, we're Greece, and all that spending mlassoff LOVES stops abruptly, w/o warning, as does defense, as does road repairs, as does police and fire forces, etc...
Kindly allow me to describe what I love and don't ascribe your ridiculous inferences to me. You have been called out again and again for your factual errors. (Reflection much!!?!)
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Old 07-01-2011, 10:42 AM
 
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Kindly allow me to describe what I love and don't ascribe your ridiculous inferences to me. You have been called out again and again for your factual errors. (Reflection much!!?!)
I realized quite awhile ago that it was a lost cause with that poster. The CT board has felt awfully trollish lately, and continuing to feed the behavior won't help matters. Call it a day like i did.
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Old 07-01-2011, 10:53 AM
 
Location: New England
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I realized quite awhile ago that it was a lost cause with that poster. The CT board has felt awfully trollish lately, and continuing to feed the behavior won't help matters. Call it a day like i did.
Good idea...I'm out to get some lunch and run errands.
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Old 07-01-2011, 11:34 AM
 
Location: Texas
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1. I don't think SS and Medicare are welfare programs, they're social insurance.

2. The misleading Fed pie chart doesn't (for reasons beyond my comprehension) include the expenditures for the wars we are engaging in, nor expenditures for past military (VA) in the DOD budget. When you add those numbers in you get closer to 45% of the Federal expenditures on Defense (Maybe it should be offense...).

The non-partisan Office of Management and Budget has stated that if we simply let the bush tax cutes expire and cut back on war spending the deficit will disappear. The debt is another story.
Please provide numbers.
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Old 07-01-2011, 11:46 AM
 
Location: NJ
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HeadedWest, I second your request to mlassoff to provide documented numbers from legitimate news sources (wires, major papers, etc). I've often provided live links, and that is all I wish for him to do. To date, I don't recall any from mainstream sources.

The good news is unless entitlements are scaled back, the House will not raise the debt ceiling, so this 8/2 deadline does serve the common good. Just as Ct's 7/1 deadline allowed for a RIF statewide that would not have happened otherwise, which will save trillions over many decades to come.
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Old 07-01-2011, 11:50 AM
 
Location: NJ
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PS, with a gift horse refused, retribution is a good way to avoid any repeat performance. If DM were wise, he would not allow a 2nd vote w/o further concessions or some RIF attached.
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Old 07-01-2011, 12:07 PM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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Please provide numbers.
The war(s) have been funded primarily through supplemental spending bills. Reason magazine has a good (but a little old) analysis here:

The Trillion-Dollar War - Reason Magazine

This is a deception perpetrated by Republican and Democratic administrations to obscure the true cost of the war(s). They present the regular 600 billionish expenditure as part of the budget and do not include the supplemental spending bills (which you have heard about on the news) in that budget.

The fact that you don't know this, and ask for proof, as if I am making up these claims out of whole cloth is certainly evidence that the deception is effective-- at least on some.
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Old 07-01-2011, 12:40 PM
 
Location: Texas
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The war(s) have been funded primarily through supplemental spending bills. Reason magazine has a good (but a little old) analysis here:

The Trillion-Dollar War - Reason Magazine

This is a deception perpetrated by Republican and Democratic administrations to obscure the true cost of the war(s). They present the regular 600 billionish expenditure as part of the budget and do not include the supplemental spending bills (which you have heard about on the news) in that budget.

The fact that you don't know this, and ask for proof, as if I am making up these claims out of whole cloth is certainly evidence that the deception is effective-- at least on some.
Where are they in the pie chart?
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Old 07-01-2011, 01:18 PM
 
Location: New London County, CT
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Where are they in the pie chart?
That's just the thing... The supplemental expenditures are not in the pie chart! They're not part of the formal "budget."
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