[bobtn]

The unemployed 50 year old factory worker in Ct is obsolete. That's not blame, just fact. In RTW states, he still has a future, not as rosy as 1950, when Japan and Europe were still rebuilding, but not DOA as in the high cost states.

[mlassoff]

Originally Posted by bobtn

The unemployed 50 year old factory worker in Ct is obsolete. That's not blame, just fact. In RTW states, he still has a future, not as rosy as 1950, when Japan and Europe were still rebuilding, but not DOA as in the high cost states.

American factory workers are increasingly obsolete everywhere.

Your continued advocacy for a re-industrialized, re-manufactured Connecticut economy is absurd. Connecticut is not built for manufacturing in the current age.

Most places who have risen with massive economic growth over the last few years have done so with technology and innovation. Small manufacturing will increasingly go overseas, and large manufacturing will increasingly be automated.

Future factory workers will be less laborers and more technicians operating the complex automated machines that do the work that human capital used to.

I'll take the QOL of this high cost state, thank you.

[bobtn]

Ct has not gained jobs in 25 years per Malloy, so I'm not sure Ct is built for anything, including your absurd, George Jetson notions of a future that does not exist.

Manufacturing exists in far greater numbers in RTW states. ALL transplant auto mfg, all their suppliers, still tons of appliance mfg, including a 2,500 employee plant operating 30 miles from my home.

Ct did not abandon mfg for something else; mfg abandoned Ct and pols tried your game of talking non-sensical job creation in 22nd century stuff, while ignoring the 25 year drought.

mlassoff:"I'll take the QOL of this high cost state." (i.e. His way of saying "me, me,me is fine. Who cares about others")

As for your most places went techno, well Raleigh is thriving, but Ct won't get any of it. Pharma prefers Massachusetts now. Texas is doing splendidly, 1/3 of all post recession jobs gains in nation.

[JayCT]

Once again Bob, you are spouting misinformation and I am growing tired of it. Manufacturing has left the country, not just Connecticut. We have found other jobs to replace it. If we did not we would no longer be the wealthiest state. And it is not just a few high paying jobs that gets us that honor. We are not a fast growing state, nor do we choose to be. That is why the quality of life here is so high. Get over it already. Jay

[bobtn]

It has left to some degree, but not fully, Jay. It is still a leading player and will remain so for decades to come. BTW, Malloy seems to disagree with the need for growth. His speech to the Business Council did reveal a far more growth-oriented side of him. Did you hear it? It was aired via Comcast's Public access channel a few times.

Bear in mind, stuff will leave. UTC is expecting less defense work in future years (i.e. less jobs), UBS will no doubt move tons to the new Trade Center, so some growth is required just to offset losses to come. DM, like most govs, knows this. Its called the creative destruction portion of free market capitalism.

[JayCT]

Did you think he is going to speak about social issues to the Business Council??? Jay

[bobtn]

He did to some degree, but he has shown more interest in their needs than many liberals, and that is a positive sign. Plus, these speeches to some degree, are more honest than stump speeches. And of course, if he follows through with a tough budget even one hated by the state unions, the business community will love that.

If it comes on again, its a worthwhile thing to watch. A very good speech, covering very important issues.

[ctcoldplay11]

Originally Posted by JayCT

Once again Bob, you are spouting misinformation and I am growing tired of it. Manufacturing has left the country, not just Connecticut. We have found other jobs to replace it. If we did not we would no longer be the wealthiest state. And it is not just a few high paying jobs that gets us that honor. We are not a fast growing state, nor do we choose to be. That is why the quality of life here is so high. Get over it already. Jay

Perfect.

[7 Wishes]

Originally Posted by JayCT

Once again Bob, you are spouting misinformation and I am growing tired of it. Manufacturing has left the country, not just Connecticut. We have found other jobs to replace it. If we did not we would no longer be the wealthiest state. And it is not just a few high paying jobs that gets us that honor. We are not a fast growing state, nor do we choose to be. That is why the quality of life here is so high. Get over it already. Jay

Jay, you will probably consider this to be too "off topic" and delete this, but when I saw your post I just felt I had to respond this way. What I have found is that folks on "his side of the aisle" (I can't think of a better way to put it) are almost very unwilling to "compromise" on any issue, even if a majority disagrees with them (may or may not be the case here, but again, based on experience with friends, etc.). This doesn't mean that folks far on the "other side of the aisle" aren't uncompromising, and that I've never seen someone who thinks like a bobtn, janesmith or kristin85 say "I never thought of it that way", but what I've found with friends of mine who have a very strong version of that philosophy is they feel they have to "save everyone else from themselves" and almost see it as a "religion" (sometimes, though not here, religion even gets invoked), but again, I find it much more common in that direction than the "other way".

As someone who while I tend to agree more with you and mlassoff but sometimes sees a little bit of bob, jane, and kristin's points, I sometimes find I have to simply "agree to disagree". Unfortunately a lot of Congress is like this right now (here's where I know I'll get deleted but here goes), we are not a country of uniform ideology and a small majority is NOT a mandate (especially when it's not in both houses, etc.) and compromise is needed. For example, while we should not keep raising debt ceilings without getting budgets in better order, getting rid of some tax breaks for some very profitable industries is a compromise to tax increases and we should not be risking economic damage over it. While I think both sides in that are somewhat uncompromising it seems the right is taking more of a "my way or the highway, everyone be damned" attitude.

Sorry but I just had to say my peace.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/05/op...WT.mc_ev=click

[blakesq]

Jay,

my impression is that wealth is not created in CT, but rather, comes from either old money, or is created in NYC, and we get a skewed average of the state's wealth due to those in Southern Fairfield Co.

I may be wrong, so I would love to see data that shows how many people are able to start with very little and become wealthy in CT, as compared to low tax states such as TX, FL, the Carolinas?

Originally Posted by JayCT

Once again Bob, you are spouting misinformation and I am growing tired of it. Manufacturing has left the country, not just Connecticut. We have found other jobs to replace it. If we did not we would no longer be the wealthiest state. And it is not just a few high paying jobs that gets us that honor. We are not a fast growing state, nor do we choose to be. That is why the quality of life here is so high. Get over it already. Jay