[njohnson]

Originally Posted by Zorayme628

Well this as noted previously is not something just attacking New Britain, why dont you say this is whats bringing down the culture of the entire nation, everyone is in financial chaos, cant take care of properties with values dropping to nearly nothing, I would know I work in a banking institution handling equities. Even people making half a million dollars a year have lost values in their homes enough to not get any money. So please look at the news and read a newspaper, before pinpointing one very affected city due to lack of jobs, lack of budgetting to give people breaks within the city, High HIGH taxes on properties...I mean the list goes on and on, but a lot of it is widespread beyond New Britain, beyond CT, Beyond the NorthEast.

First, this is something that has been in place long before the financial crisis.

Second, we are talking about New Britain so I am referencing the situation in regards to New Britain and towns that are in a similar situation. This thread isn't the place to discuss national matters.

[njohnson]

Originally Posted by brasscitybluenwhite

lol, "nooooo Connecticut isn't snobby" lol
How could somebody have the b*lls to make a mass generalization like this? Is it a crime to be poor in CT? And how does one "turn a neighborhood into urban blight?" where I'm from, the blight is already there, the poor jus move into it.

Damn. Is classism a word? Because if it this type of hatred was facilitated against a race it would be racism. Get it :

" has become infected with (insert race here) who expand and multiply like a plague turning neighborhoods into urban blight and destroying our schools."

And as residents of this state, how come no one has stepped up and said anything against the comment. Seriously, I look at other boards (hampton roads, atlanta) and no one has said anything close to what was said here.
So when u ask why ppl think Connecticut is so "snobby", here's ur reason.

If u dont have anything nice to say, then maybe u shouldnt speak. Seriously.

If the truth is snobby then so be it. Get your head out of the sand and see the world for what it is. You can sugar coat things all you want but it doesn't change the fact that things need change and twisting and over analyzing my words to cause unnecessary drama is absurd.

Where do you think blight comes from? You think they built the areas of town like that? Most of the areas were glorious, prosperous parts of town at one time. Do yourself a favor and speak to citizens of that town from the early/middle part of the 20th century or read up on some history...

[brasscitybluenwhite]

Here, I'll give u this johnson

Its a good thing that u tried ur best at being conciliatory. Alot of ppl in the Connecticut threads write trollish things like "I think its a burnt out city". You took time out to separate all the good and the bad about the city, so I jus wanted to be real with u and point out that ur prolly not being a troll.

But having said that, look at what else u said. You even went as far as saying the word "infested". And then in ur follow up, u say "if the truth is snobby then so be it." I jus said what I said to remind u that ur sh*t prolly smells worse then u like to admit. The only time I use the word "infested" is when I'm talking about rats and roaches.

Growing up in Waterbury, I have learned that blight has more to do with landlords than it does tenants. Are u saying that this is the opposite in New Britain?

[kidyankee764]

Originally Posted by brasscitybluenwhite

lol, "nooooo Connecticut isn't snobby" lol
How could somebody have the b*lls to make a mass generalization like this? Is it a crime to be poor in CT? And how does one "turn a neighborhood into urban blight?" where I'm from, the blight is already there, the poor jus move into it.

Damn. Is classism a word? Because if it this type of hatred was facilitated against a race it would be racism. Get it :

" has become infected with (insert race here) who expand and multiply like a plague turning neighborhoods into urban blight and destroying our schools."

And as residents of this state, how come no one has stepped up and said anything against the comment. Seriously, I look at other boards (hampton roads, atlanta) and no one has said anything close to what was said here.
So when u ask why ppl think Connecticut is so "snobby", here's ur reason.

If u dont have anything nice to say, then maybe u shouldnt speak. Seriously.

Folks who live in working class/low income cities down south don't have the animosity against people with money the way they do here. Here, it's okay to call people "rich white snobs" but Heaven forbid someone from a suburb calls a city dweller "poor trash."

It goes both ways bro-ski.

[Stratford, Ct. Resident]

Originally Posted by kidyankee764

Folks who live in working class/low income cities down south don't have the animosity against people with money the way they do here. Here, it's okay to call people "rich white snobs" but Heaven forbid someone from a suburb calls a city dweller "poor trash."

It goes both ways bro-ski.

Excellent point.

....Must spread reputation...........

[brasscitybluenwhite]

Originally Posted by kidyankee764

Folks who live in working class/low income cities down south don't have the animosity against people with money the way they do here. Here, it's okay to call people "rich white snobs" but Heaven forbid someone from a suburb calls a city dweller "poor trash."

It goes both ways bro-ski.

No homie. Thats something else.

I'm talking about the way Connecticut views its poor. I was comparing the way CT views its poor compared the way Virginia or Atlanta views its poor. As I have been reading those threads, I haven't seen anyone use the words vermon or infested or anything of the sort. People are people.
In fact, I its almost political to bring poor people into every single thread.
Why is it allowed to be brought up? In fact, they very rarely discuss poverty in those threads.

Look at the unemployment rates for 2007 on the city data website. New Britain had a 6 percent unemployment for 2007, but 18 percent of its residents live in poverty. Clearly, most of the poor work. So why sh*t on the way they live their lives? Because their easy targets? Why cant u just let them be?

And I still cant understand why johnson implies poor people are responsible for the way new britain looks. In waterbury, clearly pointed the finger at the city for allowing landlords for not caring and the city for letting the landlords do whatever they want to their property. Not the poor who have to live their because they have no other choice. Or-did u think that those people chose to live there when they could clearly live somewhere else.

How can u compare them to vermin "(infested)" when their just tryin to survive? Damn, if thats the case, then those wealthy landlords who live in west hartford or farmington who dont give a f*ck about their property, or the city that lets this go on. If thats the case, then they must be scum or whatever is less than vermin, right?

I'm just trying to understand suburban logic here. Help me out.

[kidyankee764]

Originally Posted by brasscitybluenwhite

No homie. Thats something else.

I'm talking about the way Connecticut views its poor.

And I'm talking about the way Connecticut unfairly views its upper middle class/upper class.

I'll post more later.

[Stratford, Ct. Resident]

Originally Posted by brasscitybluenwhite

Damn, if thats the case, then those wealthy landlords who live in west hartford or farmington who dont give a f*ck about their property, or the city that lets this go on. If thats the case, then they must be scum or whatever is less than vermin, right?

I agree with you that absentee landlords are a bane to our cities, however, the cities share some responsibility here also. Encouraging zoning that permits greater than 3 units in a multi-family is just absurd. How many regular people can afford to buy these 4 or 6 family "houses"? If they want stability, and on-premise owners, they need to encourage(with tax abatements perhaps) a reduction in the total # of units. Until that happens, the "working man" will be priced out on these multi's. Also, it's not always a case of every absentee landlord not caring. Many of them are long term owners of the properties and have had to contend with issues beyond their control(i.e.: neighborhood instability, destructive/non-paying tenants). How can you justify investing big $$$ in to the property when those factors come in to play? There really aren't any easy answers when it comes down to it.

[JViello]

Originally Posted by brasscitybluenwhite

No homie. Thats something else.

I'm talking about the way Connecticut views its poor. I was comparing the way CT views its poor compared the way Virginia or Atlanta views its poor.

How do we as a state "view" the poor? We have one of the most liberal spending policies for the "poor" in the nation. 2/3 of our state budget is social services.

You yourself are an example of how we "view the poor" in CT. You go to UCONN and don't pay for it.

Try that in SC.

What people associate "poor" and "inner city" with in our state is basically the social ills that plague our nation as a whole. Do I think all folks in the inner city are that way? No, of course not. But the majority do live a certain lifestyle that is almost counter culture to what most "family folks" want.

If not, why when most "minority" folks have the chance to flee Hartford, they do for places like Bloomfield, Windsor, Manchester etc.

Are they racist against their own people?

No, of course not. They want a better life for their family and work hard for it. The inner city seems to work against that.

Originally Posted by brasscitybluenwhite

Look at the unemployment rates for 2007 on the city data website. New Britain had a 6 percent unemployment for 2007, but 18 percent of its residents live in poverty. Clearly, most of the poor work. So why sh*t on the way they live their lives? Because their easy targets? Why cant u just let them be?

Well that might sound good, but it's not reality.

First off, what consitutes "poverty"? The threshold in 2007 was $25,364.00 and that is before taxes and does not take into account noncash benefits (such as food stamps and housing subsidies) and we KNOW how much section 8 pays of most folks rent in the city.

(To the people who don't know anything about section 8 - right now it's the biggest scam going in the state. No longer is it just "the projects" but ANY property can be applied for and "approved". So the "poor" folks can find a very nice apartment in say Manchester or Vernon and the state picks up 80% or more of the rent. Nice eh? Pfft, I would gladly live in a 3 bed apartment and only pay $250.00 a month, you kididng me? Well maybe not. )

So you can earn 25K a year or about $520.00 per week, get state aid for heat, electricity, health care, food, and have them pay 80% of your rent and still be considered "poor".

Factor in the rent subsidy, aid for food and utilities, and health care and total monthly income falls in around $3880.00.

That's not including all the subsidies for "adult education" via the community colleges etc out there that will cost them NOTHING to attend.

I don't consider that "living in poverty" sorry. And in all honesty, I wonder why I work so hard as that's not a bad deal and I don't make much more than that.

Originally Posted by brasscitybluenwhite

And I still cant understand why johnson implies poor people are responsible for the way new britain looks. In waterbury, clearly pointed the finger at the city for allowing landlords for not caring and the city for letting the landlords do whatever they want to their property. Not the poor who have to live their because they have no other choice. Or-did u think that those people chose to live there when they could clearly live somewhere else.

So what do you think should happen? Should the government run housing in the city? Oh wait, we already did that...the failed concept call "The Projects" which are now and have been torn down around the state. (Don't worry, I got the tab for that "mistake" of social engineering.)

If the "poor people" are not responsible for how the city looks, where does all the garbage come from? What about the graffitti?

So you say "renters" have no responsibility to care for thier property?

There is also a flip side for property owners you know...most are not "greedy landlords". Some are, but most are not.

They make an investment (Last I checked, that's still legal and moral to do in the United States) in property, people move in and tend to TRASH the place because they don't give a sh*t about anything.

So the landlord has a choice...pour money into the property so it can get trashed again, or collect the rent and then sell his investment.

Which would you do if that's where your paycheck came from?

And, AND I would go so far as to say the STATE has enabled a system that ATTRACTS greedy landlords via section 8. How nice is it to purchase a 3 family home, get it section 8 approved, charge $1300.00 per month per apartment and have the state pick up 80% + of the tab! No worries about "not getting paid" heck you're getting top dollar for the place. Hold on to it for 10 years and dump it! I think those slum lords are just as bad and it's disgusting.

THAT is how the STATE can screw things up by becoming "nanny".

Originally Posted by brasscitybluenwhite

How can u compare them to vermin "(infested)" when their just tryin to survive?

Yep, just trying to survive while the state pays $850.00 of an $1100.00 aparment, the state pays for food, the state pays for heat on 80* while the windows and doors are open (You know you've seen it because *I* have and we come from the same sewer), the state pays for health care.

The basics are covered. What I think you mean is "surviving life in the hood". Well guess what. Most of that crap is self inflicted through lifestyle choices.

Most people need to start giving a crap about their neighborhood and family and stop the nonsense. The state has no responsibility to raise your children nor should it.

When the neighborhoods are out of control EVERYONE who wants a better life for their family go elsewhere when they can. What we are left with is urban "ghettos" where nothing changes because the people won't change their lifestyle.

I truely believe...I mean really honestly believe that CT is a foreshadow as to what we are on the road to in the United States. Most communist countries had the same issue. The rich elite and the rest of the "people" stuck in bread lines. It may not get to that point for a few generations, but we are heading there, mark my words.

Originally Posted by brasscitybluenwhite

I'm just trying to understand suburban logic here. Help me out.

Hope you understand a little better now.

[Uconn97]

"And in all honesty, I wonder why I work so hard as that's not a bad deal and I don't make much more than that."

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