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Old 06-13-2017, 02:47 PM
 
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Those are two very different things.

The first show how much money a state receives from the feds the other shows how many people above the federal poverty line get some form of public assistance.

In the first case you basically have wealthy states supporting poor states in a massive wealth transfer thanks to federal taxes. Basically in this example Tenn is Hartford and Conn is Farmington, the taxes from income from one supports the people in the other.

In the other chart you show how much a state spends on support above the poverty level. In the case of CT, most of that additional spending is covered by in state taxes. So kind of like if Farmington voting to spend more on more nutritious lunch in schools and expanding free lunch above state minimum. The choice do to so was with in the town and would be done by reps voted for by it's citizens.
That's a bit simplistic. What Tennessee does is game the system. They have no State income tax. There are minimal state services. In the poor counties, Tennessee just passes on what the Feds give them. The affluent places like the 'burbs south of Nashville use a local sales tax and local property taxes to fund affluent people services. If you're white trash in Eastern Tennessee or deep South African American poor along the Mississippi River/Memphis, you get no services. Regressive red state government. Great if you're a physician at Vanderbilt or an entertainment industry millionaire living in Belle Meade or Brentwood. You'll happily pay 9.25% sales tax on everything including food & clothing along with local property taxes rather than getting nailed with a state income tax. You get your gold plated local services. You don't care about Medicaid/CHIP, Head Start, Title I, Section 8, TANF, or SNAP because everybody in your town is affluent. The rest of the state gets zip.

Texas has similar math.

 
Old 06-13-2017, 04:36 PM
 
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That's a bit simplistic. What Tennessee does is game the system. They have no State income tax. There are minimal state services. In the poor counties, Tennessee just passes on what the Feds give them. The affluent places like the 'burbs south of Nashville use a local sales tax and local property taxes to fund affluent people services. If you're white trash in Eastern Tennessee or deep South African American poor along the Mississippi River/Memphis, you get no services. Regressive red state government. Great if you're a physician at Vanderbilt or an entertainment industry millionaire living in Belle Meade or Brentwood. You'll happily pay 9.25% sales tax on everything including food & clothing along with local property taxes rather than getting nailed with a state income tax. You get your gold plated local services. You don't care about Medicaid/CHIP, Head Start, Title I, Section 8, TANF, or SNAP because everybody in your town is affluent. The rest of the state gets zip.

Texas has similar math.
That's simplistic too. The way the Tax Foundation figures rankings is skewed by other factors:

- Feds spending on Feds facilities in that State. For example, TN has a very large Laboratory (Oak Ridge) where Feds spend a lot of money. Tax Foundation counts that. In a small population State like TN that contributes to the skewing

- Number of retirees per capita also skews. TN has the 2nd largest retirement community (in Crossville) in the country, after the Villages in Florida.

But there is no question that the biggest contributor is income in those states. They are low cost, low income states, so that minimum catches a lot more people.

The Moocher Index takes another perspective -- which state gets more "welfare" when it shouldn't. From this point if view, CT appears to be more of a moocher state than TN.

I would characterize it as "generosity with other people's money" or "welfare abuse."
 
Old 06-13-2017, 07:18 PM
 
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That's a bit simplistic. What Tennessee does is game the system. They have no State income tax. There are minimal state services. .
Our services were very good. Cost was well controlled. Growth in Nashville metro is explosive.

Under Malloy, we in Ct forgot what growth was.
 
Old 06-13-2017, 07:23 PM
 
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Don Pesci: Malloy and Democrats, one-trick ponies

Great column.
 
Old 06-13-2017, 11:19 PM
 
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Malloy prepare to run Connecticut without budget in few weeks

http://wtnh.com/2017/06/13/malloy-pr...-after-july-1/
 
Old 06-14-2017, 08:05 AM
 
Location: Connecticut
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Malloy prepare to run Connecticut without budget in few weeks

Malloy preparing to run state without budget after July 1 | WTNH Connecticut News
Get ready for major tax increases.
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Democrats, with their narrow majority in both the House and Senate will try to craft a deal with the Governor without the Republicans.
 
Old 06-14-2017, 08:25 AM
 
Location: Connecticut
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Could supplemental tax bills be in our future?

Lack Of State Budget Brings Uncertainty To Cities, Towns « CBS Connecticut
 
Old 06-14-2017, 08:28 AM
 
Location: Riverside, CT
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I'm very nervous and shaking over the idea of an extra $200 tax bill this year.
Who cares?
 
Old 06-14-2017, 08:46 AM
 
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Even the other cities aren't keen on bailing out Hartford.
Harp To State: Don't Bail Out Hartford At New Haven's Expense | New Haven Independent
 
Old 06-14-2017, 09:45 AM
 
Location: Connecticut
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That's a bit simplistic. What Tennessee does is game the system. They have no State income tax. There are minimal state services. In the poor counties, Tennessee just passes on what the Feds give them. The affluent places like the 'burbs south of Nashville use a local sales tax and local property taxes to fund affluent people services. If you're white trash in Eastern Tennessee or deep South African American poor along the Mississippi River/Memphis, you get no services. Regressive red state government. Great if you're a physician at Vanderbilt or an entertainment industry millionaire living in Belle Meade or Brentwood. You'll happily pay 9.25% sales tax on everything including food & clothing along with local property taxes rather than getting nailed with a state income tax. You get your gold plated local services. You don't care about Medicaid/CHIP, Head Start, Title I, Section 8, TANF, or SNAP because everybody in your town is affluent. The rest of the state gets zip.

Texas has similar math.
That was well stated. Lets also remember that TN did not expand medicaid coverage under Obamacare and if they did their rank/percentage would probably go up another 5% Putting them around 45%

I wouldn't have an issue with other states getting funding from the richer states like CT, if they used it to help their own state population.

As for that moocher index, the site didn't report how they collected the data or from where, unless I missed it. Aside from that though, poor people in rich states like CT should be receiving higher dollar amounts because its expensive here. You can't find an apt here for $500 a month, even if you're willing to live in the state's worst ghetto area(s).
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