[Cambium]

Here's a look at the mean annual snowfall totals. This is using the previous 30yr records. They haven't updated their maps and I forgot where the link is. I had this saved.

You can see the Hudson "valley" in purple (36"-48") like Poughkeepsie up to Albany I believe.. Then just to the East of the Valley between Southern NY valley and CT border there's the higher elevation which get 48"+ on average including Litchfield in that

On the right is the record amount of snow that fell in 1 day (midnight to midnight)



Zoomed in. You can see the different shade for BDR and New Haven 24-36 range.
I also learned the NW NJ gets as much snow as southern Litchfield County. There's someone from there posting in the weather forum. Always colder and snowier

[Cambium]

Originally Posted by Cambium

Will update this after today. This arctic air not as cold as last years shots.

Extended this years to yesterdays date. So now we can match 9 days vs 9 days. As cold as we've been, it's not near last years Arctic blast but still it's around Top 10 for the period itself.

BDR: Bridgeport, CT

January 01-09, 2014 (9 Days)
Average Temp: 22.3° (5th Coldest on record)
Max Average: 31.7° (7th Coldest on record)
Min Average: 13.0° (3rd Coldest on record)

January 22-30, 2014 (9 Days)
Average Temp: 19.1° (3rd Coldest)
Max Average: 25.9° (3rd Coldest)
Min Average: 12.3° (5th Coldest)

January 6-14, 2015 (9 Days)
Average Temp: 22.9° (10th Coldest)
Max Average: 29.4° (9th Coldest)
Min Average: 16.4° (11th Coldest)

[Henry10]

Originally Posted by 7 Wishes

Agree in terms of elevation that Mt. Frissel should have more snow, but 40 miles north actually has about the same minor effect as 150 ft more elevation.

Not to split hairs, but we should get the math correct.

Pittsfield is not 150 feet lower than Norfolk, but 200 feet lower. Plus aerial distance is 30 miles, not 40 miles, which is the winding road mileage.

Regardless, Mikelizard's point is correct. Otherwise how would we explain the fact that Norfolk has identical snowfall as Worthington, MA, which is even another 200 feet higher (Elevation 1433')?

Turned the other way -- why is Pittsfield's snowfall (65") the same as Worcester's? Pittsfield is twice as high (1040') than Worcester (450' elevation).

Your other point -- vicinity to a body of water -- is a correct one. That is why snowfall for Stamford is higher than Bridgeport's, which is higher than Groton's.

[Cambium]

Originally Posted by Henry10

Turned the other way -- why is Pittsfield's snowfall (65") the same as Worcester's? Pittsfield is twice as high (1040') than Worcester (450' elevation).

I haven't been following the conversation but I wonder if that has to do with records being kept? Nobody there in Pittsfield to report snowfall all the time, I believe it's an automatic station there like Danbury & Oxford. Poughkeepsie has records but not Pittsfield. So any snow records shown for PSF is questionable. Unless from NCDC/NOAA I guess. Climate Data: ALB, GFL, POU, DDH & PSF

Also ORH(Worcester) is 1000', not 450 so probably why they match well with snowfall if that Pittsfield # is right.

But on that note... this weekends storm will favor Pittsfield getting more snow than Worcester. Just how things roll sometimes.

North to South freezing line pushing East. Storm over Boston says Euro. 3-6" for Pittsfield, 1/2" for Worcester. 10"+ for most of Vermont!



Anyone over or to the right of the dotted blue line is rain. Map on right is total snowfall from this particular Euro update.

You can see how a slight shift in storm track ALWAYS makes a difference in winter.

If instead of Boston its over Hartford then Albany or even Vermont doesn't get big snows.

[Henry10]

Originally Posted by Cambium

I haven't been following the conversation but I wonder if that has to do with records being kept? Nobody there in Pittsfield to report snowfall all the time, I believe it's an automatic station there like Danbury & Oxford. Poughkeepsie has records but not Pittsfield. So any snow records shown for PSF is questionable. Unless from NCDC/NOAA I guess. Climate Data: ALB, GFL, POU, DDH & PSF

I think Pittsfield's Municipal Airport reports it. Elevation 1143'.

Originally Posted by Cambium

Also ORH(Worcester) is 1000', not 450 so probably why they match well with snowfall if that Pittsfield # is right.

You are correct. I didn't realize the difference in elevation from downtown to the airport.

[mikelizard860]

Originally Posted by Cambium

Here's a look at the mean annual snowfall totals. This is using the previous 30yr records. They haven't updated their maps and I forgot where the link is. I had this saved.

You can see the Hudson "valley" in purple (36"-48") like Poughkeepsie up to Albany I believe.. Then just to the East of the Valley between Southern NY valley and CT border there's the higher elevation which get 48"+ on average including Litchfield in that

On the right is the record amount of snow that fell in 1 day (midnight to midnight)



Zoomed in. You can see the different shade for BDR and New Haven 24-36 range.
I also learned the NW NJ gets as much snow as southern Litchfield County. There's someone from there posting in the weather forum. Always colder and snowier

Great maps! I wish they made one more high resolution for each state alone.

Also, let's not forget the nw hills have had a REAL storm this year getting nearly a foot at the highest elevations. And that was back in November! We are still waiting everywhere else in the state for an actual snowstorm. This is getting ridiculous considering it's the middle of jan and nothing on the horizon. I need snow bad.

[7 Wishes]

Originally Posted by Henry10

Not to split hairs, but we should get the math correct.

Pittsfield is not 150 feet lower than Norfolk, but 200 feet lower. Plus aerial distance is 30 miles, not 40 miles, which is the winding road mileage.

Regardless, Mikelizard's point is correct. Otherwise how would we explain the fact that Norfolk has identical snowfall as Worthington, MA, which is even another 200 feet higher (Elevation 1433')?

Turned the other way -- why is Pittsfield's snowfall (65") the same as Worcester's? Pittsfield is twice as high (1040') than Worcester (450' elevation).

Your other point -- vicinity to a body of water -- is a correct one. That is why snowfall for Stamford is higher than Bridgeport's, which is higher than Groton's.

30 miles would prove my point even further because I think those are the actual distances for Hartford vs. Springfield, and Danbury vs. Poughkeepsie, not 40.

Not to split hairs on my end either, but aren't Stamford, Bridgeport and Groton all on the water? And I didn't think Stamford had an official weather station (Groton's being New London, but I don't see snowfall stats for NL).

[clutchrider]

Giving up on this winter. Sunday is 40 and rain, Thursday is supposed to miss us completely. Already planning for Spring at this point.

[Cambium]

A look at the max & min actuals & departures this month so far..

Only 1 of last 10 days has been above normal.

Normal is 37/23 at BDR. 34/17 at BDL. BDL has been in the single digits 8 times this month.,

[Cambium]

Originally Posted by clutchrider

Giving up on this winter. Sunday is 40 and rain, Thursday is supposed to miss us completely. Already planning for Spring at this point.

I was going to post this....



But the pattern (yes JP03) is now looking different. The problem is... IMO, we needed this January type pattern to happen in December to get snows in DEC/JAN/FEB. Not end of JAN/FEB/MAR. Reason is #1. Chances. #2. Pattern gets set into place.

So could we end up having a "2nd half" real winter??? Who the heck knows.... but at least what I'm seeing is not like what I was seeing in December with the warmth and southerly flow.

We still might not get snowstorm but at least the chances are starting to show up.

Clipper on Wednesday. I'm already rearranging work plans for it.
Close Call for Jan 24th. All models show nothing for us now.

That's really it right now.