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Old 03-12-2015, 12:20 PM
 
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You are talking about something that happened nearly 400 years ago. We do not know for certain what happened. Was the land "bought"? Was the land taken? It should not be the problem of today's property owners to correct a possible injustice that occurred centuries ago. The only ones who will truly profit from this are the lawyers fighting it out. Jay
Not saying I wouldn't feel for the property owners today losing their homes. Your statement was completely ignoring history and as one sided as it gets. Look up the history around the general allotment act. The treatment of native Americans is far from a "possible" injustice and I am not one to usually sympathize.

The casinos are a great strong point of CT. I do not see how adding more locations would increase the amount of gamblers. I can see it taking away gamblers from the two casinos we already have. It would make more sense to improve what is already built.

The debt situation for the casino operations is not promising in the long run. The entertainment options really need to be better. I always thought they could get more creative in the offerings. Not to much in the way of gearing towards the younger crowd. It seems inconsistent.
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Old 03-12-2015, 12:31 PM
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Location: Connecticut
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Someone told me Foxwoods is smoke free, but I was there in January for an event and I smelled smoke still as I walked through the slots area. One year I had 2 quarters in my pocket and was going to use them but apparently the minimum you can do is $5. So I've never spent money there even though I've been going since 2007. There's never more than a handful of people in that section when I'm there either
Foxwoods has a smoke-free section. It is downstairs from the front parlor. I is much quieter than the other areas in the casino. Jay
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Old 03-12-2015, 12:40 PM
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Location: Connecticut
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Not saying I wouldn't feel for the property owners today losing their homes. Your statement was completely ignoring history and as one sided as it gets. Look up the history around the general allotment act. The treatment of native Americans is far from a "possible" injustice and I am not one to usually sympathize.

The casinos are a great strong point of CT. I do not see how adding more locations would increase the amount of gamblers. I can see it taking away gamblers from the two casinos we already have. It would make more sense to improve what is already built.

The debt situation for the casino operations is not promising in the long run. The entertainment options really need to be better. I always thought they could get more creative in the offerings. Not to much in the way of gearing towards the younger crowd. It seems inconsistent.
All I can say is "Two wrongs do not make a right". Taking someone's land because it was taken from Native Americans 400 years ago is just as wrong as what was done back then. What recourse does a property owner have when they lose what is likely their largest asset? Are you going to put people out of the homes they worked their entire lives for just to right a wrong against someone who has been dead for 350 years? Sorry but I don't believe that we owe it to everyone who has been wronged in history and to have to compensate their VERY distant family at the expense of others. Now if you would like to give your home to a Native American, be my guest. JMHO, Jay
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Old 03-12-2015, 01:11 PM
 
Location: CT, New England
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It's easy to say it that way, Jay, when you have everything to lose, but, when you've already lost more than just "land", I'm curious if your thought process would change.
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Old 03-12-2015, 01:43 PM
 
Location: Northern Fairfield Co.
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Since the dawn of time, one group has been taking land from another. If you're a survivor, you adjust and move on. My family came to this country after ww2 because their land and property were confiscated and taken from them by the communist soviets. Should I go back, demand restitution and open a casino along the shores of the Danube? (maybe a Riverboat Casino!) Nah, I think I'll stay put -- I like it here just fine...

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Old 03-12-2015, 02:23 PM
 
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All I can say is "Two wrongs do not make a right". Taking someone's land because it was taken from Native Americans 400 years ago is just as wrong as what was done back then. What recourse does a property owner have when they lose what is likely their largest asset? Are you going to put people out of the homes they worked their entire lives for just to right a wrong against someone who has been dead for 350 years? Sorry but I don't believe that we owe it to everyone who has been wronged in history and to have to compensate their VERY distant family at the expense of others. Now if you would like to give your home to a Native American, be my guest. JMHO, Jay
My statement was about exposing your one sided statement/perception that showed a complete lack of understanding of the issue in the context of history. I never made statements saying people should be forced out without just compensation or that others should receive compensation for the wrong doings of others. I am simply able to see the issue from a broader perspective and for someone who is a moderator you should appreciate that.

I am a renter and if someone told me I had to move cause Native Americans won the land or what have you I would do so. Should I receive money due to being forced to move? Sure.

The government in certain states can take the land if needed for public projects. It happens. Compensation is given.
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Old 03-12-2015, 02:57 PM
 
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[quote=JayCT;38790698] Sorry but I don't believe that we owe it to everyone who has been wronged in history and to have to compensate their VERY distant family at the expense of others. Now if you would like to give your home to a Native American, be my guest. JMHO, Jay[/QUOTE

As someone who owns a house in Trumbull and who is right in the cross hairs of the Golden Hill Paugussett's (and the billionaire developers who are backing them) I say thank you for the sentiment above.
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Old 03-12-2015, 03:03 PM
 
Location: Danbury CT covering all of Fairfield County
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I think they are trying to put the casino up in Kent, for the one they are proposing in western CT. The town does not have the infrastracture, in terms of highway, town services, sewer or the water supply, necessary for a casino. It is a very expensive real estate market. Where would the workers live? Western CT is also 1 hour away from the Yonkers raceway and 1 hr 45 minutes to Foxwoods and Mohegan Sun.
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Old 03-12-2015, 03:37 PM
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Location: Connecticut
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My statement was about exposing your one sided statement/perception that showed a complete lack of understanding of the issue in the context of history. I never made statements saying people should be forced out without just compensation or that others should receive compensation for the wrong doings of others. I am simply able to see the issue from a broader perspective and for someone who is a moderator you should appreciate that.

I am a renter and if someone told me I had to move cause Native Americans won the land or what have you I would do so. Should I receive money due to being forced to move? Sure.

The government in certain states can take the land if needed for public projects. It happens. Compensation is given.
You do not know what I know and don't know. I understand both sides of this. I just do not believe that we have to payback people every time they feel they were wronged, particularly after 400 years. It just does not make sense.

Being a renter you have little to lose. What do you care if you lived here or over there. It only costs you a couple of hundred dollars to move. If you had a couple of hundred thousand dollars tied up in a home that you worked most of your life to buy and maintain, you would be singing a different story. And yes, the government takes land for things (it is called eminent domain) and compensates people for that but where do you think that compensation money comes from? It comes from our taxes. It is one thing to take a couple of homes for things that are needed like a highway that will be used by thousands or a new school for kids in the neighborhood or even for economic development that will create jobs and produce more tax revenue, but to give a whole town away is an ENTIRELY different story. You are talking billions and billions of dollars. That is a lot of tax dollars that can go to more important things like rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure or educating our children. Sorry but I think you are the one who needs to see this from a realistic perspective. Jay
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Old 03-12-2015, 04:49 PM
 
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You do not know what I know and don't know. I understand both sides of this. I just do not believe that we have to payback people every time they feel they were wronged, particularly after 400 years. It just does not make sense.

Being a renter you have little to lose. What do you care if you lived here or over there. It only costs you a couple of hundred dollars to move. If you had a couple of hundred thousand dollars tied up in a home that you worked most of your life to buy and maintain, you would be singing a different story. And yes, the government takes land for things (it is called eminent domain) and compensates people for that but where do you think that compensation money comes from? It comes from our taxes. It is one thing to take a couple of homes for things that are needed like a highway that will be used by thousands or a new school for kids in the neighborhood or even for economic development that will create jobs and produce more tax revenue, but to give a whole town away is an ENTIRELY different story. You are talking billions and billions of dollars. That is a lot of tax dollars that can go to more important things like rebuilding our crumbling infrastructure or educating our children. Sorry but I think you are the one who needs to see this from a realistic perspective. Jay
I know what you posted. If you understood both sides of the issue you certainly wouldn't have made that comment in the manner you did to the other user. Your comments were pretty ignorant regardless of what stance a person takes on the issue of "paying back" a certain party.

And actually, I wouldn't be singing a different story since I don't plan on buying a home. It seems you make a lot of assumptions about people and events for that matter...homeownership is not the way to go in the modern world with the current job market and uncertainty of economic developments.
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