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Old 03-13-2015, 10:33 AM
Status: "Still here" (set 8 days ago)
 
Location: Connecticut
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Reread my original quote of yours I'm referring to how Native Americans were treated hundreds of years ago, which has been well documented, and is taught in schools. It's called history.

And no, I never mentioned a smallpox blanket, Wilton2ParkAve.
Our world's history is full of incidents where one group took another group's land. I just don't understand why we feel we have to compensate Native Americans for land taken 400 years ago. As I understand it Native Americans did not understand the concept of owning land to begin with. Europeans moved onto land, sometimes compensating the Native Americans, sometimes taking it by force and sometimes just moving in without incident.

The treatment of Native Americans in this country is an entirely different subject and really off topic for this thread and forum. I agree that it has been horrible. People that want to discuss this should go elsewhere on this forum to do that. Jay
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Old 03-13-2015, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Long Island, NY
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Please tell me you don't believe the smallpox blanket BS.
Oooo, yea -- I wouldn't believe that. Unintentional at best. These were the same people (alcoholics) that thought drinking was healthy and cured disease (they didn't know why sometimes water made them sick, so they just eliminated it entirely). The Colonials pretty much gave you shots if you were sick, or if you were in labor...

Oops, off-topic kinda -- Sorry Jay.
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Old 03-13-2015, 10:58 AM
 
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My comments are ignorant? Why? I don't believe we have to pay people compensation for things that happened 400 years ago. I don't believe that a person should lose their home because someone feels they were wronged and claim something that someone else worked hard for. If that makes me ignorant then so be it.

You have not given me or anyone else any real information or data to support your position. Calling me names (which by the way is against the rules) does not give me reason to change my mind. Given me something more that just understanding "both sides of the issue" and I will reconsider but until then I think you are just "the pot calling the kettle black". Jay
I took issue with your statement of possible injustice. We don't get to pick and choose which parts of history are valid. If it happened, it happened. I see you have recognized the suffering of the Native Americans in a more recent post and that was what I was hoping you would see. Your original delivery of your view point made it sound like you were ignoring that portion of history. It sounded as if you were dismissing the suffering of an entire group of people because it didn't serve the interests of the opposing party.

Having an entire town move today would probably be a mistake and repeating the past mistakes of history. As far as the history itself, the United States government has already admitted wrongdoing and you don't have to go back 400 years to see that.
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Public Law 111-118, Section 8113—The Apology to Native Peoples of the United States explains, “the United States, acting through Congress—
• Recognizes that there have been years of official depredations, ill-conceived policies, and the breaking of covenants by the Federal Government regarding Indian tribes;
• Apologizes on behalf of the people of the United States to all Native Peoples for the many instances of violence, maltreatment, and neglect inflicted on Native Peoples by the citizens of the United States; and
• Urges the President to acknowledge the wrongs of the United States against Indian tribes in the history of the United States in order to bring healing to this land….”

Senator Dan Inouye, a World War II Medal of Honor winner and Hero of the famed 442nd Regimental Combat Team, said:

“In our early days as a nation, we entered into treaties with Native Americans pursuant to the provisions of the U.S. Constitution that recognize them as sovereigns. But later, we abandoned the path of an honorable course of dealings, and turned to war. Thousands lost their lives through these battles and horrific massacres. The native population everywhere was decimated.
“Forced marches to relocate the native people from their traditional homelands to areas west of the Mississippi in the dead of winter cost thousands of more lives…. The treaties could have signaled a return to a course of honorable dealings … had the United States not proceeded to break provisions in every single one of the treaties….”

Senator Daniel Akaka, another World War II veteran, said:
“In many ways, the United States broke these treaties and engaged in acts of war against our Native peoples, taking lands by force, displacing Native peoples and leaving them in poverty and suffering. At times, the United States informed indigenous, Native peoples that their continued residence on their original lands would be considered an act of war against the U.S. and if they did not leave, U.S. military forces commenced wars, imprisoned and killed Native leaders and people, and tragically at places like Sand Creek and Wounded Knee massacred Native men, women and children.”

http://firstpeoples.org/wp/tag/the-a...united-states/
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Old 03-13-2015, 11:42 AM
 
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I took issue with your statement of possible injustice. We don't get to pick and choose which parts of history are valid. If it happened, it happened. I see you have recognized the suffering of the Native Americans in a more recent post and that was what I was hoping you would see. Your original delivery of your view point made it sound like you were ignoring that portion of history. It sounded as if you were dismissing the suffering of an entire group of people because it didn't serve the interests of the opposing party.

Having an entire town move today would probably be a mistake and repeating the past mistakes of history. As far as the history itself, the United States government has already admitted wrongdoing and you don't have to go back 400 years to see that.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Public Law 111-118, Section 8113—The Apology to Native Peoples of the United States explains, “the United States, acting through Congress—
• Recognizes that there have been years of official depredations, ill-conceived policies, and the breaking of covenants by the Federal Government regarding Indian tribes;
• Apologizes on behalf of the people of the United States to all Native Peoples for the many instances of violence, maltreatment, and neglect inflicted on Native Peoples by the citizens of the United States; and
• Urges the President to acknowledge the wrongs of the United States against Indian tribes in the history of the United States in order to bring healing to this land….”

Senator Dan Inouye, a World War II Medal of Honor winner and Hero of the famed 442nd Regimental Combat Team, said:

“In our early days as a nation, we entered into treaties with Native Americans pursuant to the provisions of the U.S. Constitution that recognize them as sovereigns. But later, we abandoned the path of an honorable course of dealings, and turned to war. Thousands lost their lives through these battles and horrific massacres. The native population everywhere was decimated.
“Forced marches to relocate the native people from their traditional homelands to areas west of the Mississippi in the dead of winter cost thousands of more lives…. The treaties could have signaled a return to a course of honorable dealings … had the United States not proceeded to break provisions in every single one of the treaties….”

Senator Daniel Akaka, another World War II veteran, said:
“In many ways, the United States broke these treaties and engaged in acts of war against our Native peoples, taking lands by force, displacing Native peoples and leaving them in poverty and suffering. At times, the United States informed indigenous, Native peoples that their continued residence on their original lands would be considered an act of war against the U.S. and if they did not leave, U.S. military forces commenced wars, imprisoned and killed Native leaders and people, and tragically at places like Sand Creek and Wounded Knee massacred Native men, women and children.”

First Peoples Worldwide » The Apology to the Native Peoples of the United States
No one doubts wrongdoing, but history short and long term is fraught with injustice. The North American native population pre-Columbus was roughly 2.1 million. The massive declines in population were the result of widespread epidemic disease, to which the natives had no prior exposure or resistance, with nearly all scholars in agreement. The US has formally apologized. If we were to map out all of the suffering, and the perpetrators, every country, ethic group would be on the hook. The injustices and atrocities of World War II alone in more recent history far exceed the indigenous suffering.
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Old 03-17-2015, 12:36 PM
 
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So, back on topic, today is the proposal hearing. Malloy is distancing himself away from it and he should. 75% of CT Residents don't want them.

I hope these do not pass. More casinos is not really my main problem, it's the fact that CT is being reactive instead of proactive. Springfield is building a brand new Casino with hotels, gaming and entertainment. To combat this, CT is going to turn the old Showcase Cinemas into a Gaming Parlor. :smh: Either go 100% or don't do it. Throwing up cheap gaming parlors will only lower the value around the facilities.

No Entertainment, No Hotel = No one wants to go.

More options will bring more people to Springfield and NOT to Gaming Parlors. I will be more than willing to drive 10 minutes extra to Springfield for more options. Guessing the majority of people would follow.

EDIT: WHAT? Tribal Leader says CT will loss 18,000 jobs? lol Please. http://www.masslive.com/news/index.s...ringfield.html

FYI, the MGM looks awesome.

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Old 03-17-2015, 03:43 PM
 
Location: Hartford, Connecticut
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So, back on topic, today is the proposal hearing. Malloy is distancing himself away from it and he should. 75% of CT Residents don't want them.

I hope these do not pass. More casinos is not really my main problem, it's the fact that CT is being reactive instead of proactive. Springfield is building a brand new Casino with hotels, gaming and entertainment. To combat this, CT is going to turn the old Showcase Cinemas into a Gaming Parlor. :smh: Either go 100% or don't do it. Throwing up cheap gaming parlors will only lower the value around the facilities.

No Entertainment, No Hotel = No one wants to go.

More options will bring more people to Springfield and NOT to Gaming Parlors. I will be more than willing to drive 10 minutes extra to Springfield for more options. Guessing the majority of people would follow.

EDIT: WHAT? Tribal Leader says CT will loss 18,000 jobs? lol Please. Tribal leaders: MGM Springfield could cost Connecticut 18,000 jobs | masslive.com

FYI, the MGM looks awesome.
I think building 1 casino is necessary not multiple. Casinos were once destination locations but now there are many being built within 30 minutes from where your sitting. Same thing goes with retail stores like Cabelas. There were only 15 or so in the country at one point now there turning it into a store where you'd find one around the block. I think Foxwoods and Mohegan should have seen this coming decades ago. The belly of the beast is shrinking and there budget is falling in record low numbers.

Build a casino by Bradley Airport because it is served by Hartford AND Springfield. Have some of those Mass residents who go through Bradley play at the casino.
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Old 03-17-2015, 04:16 PM
 
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Legalize sports gambling in CT and the casinos here will have something to differentiate themselves. Otherwise its all diminishing returns. I realize that the likelihood of this happening is small.
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Old 03-17-2015, 05:04 PM
 
Location: SWCT, close to coast
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Went to a birthday party Sunday. Guy that was there works at Mohegan. He said there are 3 Casinos the governor wants to add in CT. Fairfield, Windsor Locks, and I forget the other.

He made a comment that he didn't like the feel of being like Atlantic City. lol They wouldn't have table games at first but maybe eventually? He said despite what we're hearing, Casinos have been making a ton of money so they are doing well. He is packed on the weekends at Mohegan.
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Old 03-17-2015, 05:38 PM
 
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Went to a birthday party Sunday. Guy that was there works at Mohegan. He said there are 3 Casinos the governor wants to add in CT. Fairfield, Windsor Locks, and I forget the other.

He made a comment that he didn't like the feel of being like Atlantic City. lol They wouldn't have table games at first but maybe eventually? He said despite what we're hearing, Casinos have been making a ton of money so they are doing well. He is packed on the weekends at Mohegan.
Where would there possibly be room for a casino in Fairfield? Like this stands a chance of being passed by the notoriously difficult boards in Fairfield...
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Old 06-15-2015, 12:50 PM
 
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The casino development has taken a backseat to the budget and fall out from that, but I saw something interesting in a news article today.

"Each casino saw less wagering at its machines. Combined, gamblers at the two casinos wagered $25.2 million less than they did a year ago." (May slot revenues flatten | HartfordBusiness.com)

I think the tide on casinos are turning. People don't have money to throw away and if people do they do not want to blow it at the casino. $25m reduction over a 1 years period is a significant amount. These new casinos won't raise gambling revenue they will just provide more access to the people who want to gamble. I call that "shuffling money from hand to hand."
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