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Old 03-13-2015, 05:46 AM
 
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You are talking about something that happened nearly 400 years ago. We do not know for certain what happened. Was the land "bought"? Was the land taken?
Where did you go to school? lol
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Old 03-13-2015, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Connecticut
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I know what you posted. If you understood both sides of the issue you certainly wouldn't have made that comment in the manner you did to the other user. Your comments were pretty ignorant regardless of what stance a person takes on the issue of "paying back" a certain party.

And actually, I wouldn't be singing a different story since I don't plan on buying a home. It seems you make a lot of assumptions about people and events for that matter...homeownership is not the way to go in the modern world with the current job market and uncertainty of economic developments.
My comments are ignorant? Why? I don't believe we have to pay people compensation for things that happened 400 years ago. I don't believe that a person should lose their home because someone feels they were wronged and claim something that someone else worked hard for. If that makes me ignorant then so be it.

You have not given me or anyone else any real information or data to support your position. Calling me names (which by the way is against the rules) does not give me reason to change my mind. Given me something more that just understanding "both sides of the issue" and I will reconsider but until then I think you are just "the pot calling the kettle black". Jay
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Old 03-13-2015, 07:00 AM
 
Location: Connecticut
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Where did you go to school? lol
What does that have to do with the discussion? Just because I do not think something that happened 400 years ago should be dealt with today does not mean I am not well educated, I think my MANY posts here have more than shown that I am a reasonably intelligent person. The poster has not given any reasons for me to change my mind. This may not be "politically correct" in todays society but too bad. Jay
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Old 03-13-2015, 07:48 AM
 
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Where did you go to school? lol
Please tell me you don't believe the smallpox blanket BS.
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Old 03-13-2015, 07:54 AM
 
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Where did you go to school? lol
He is a $500 winner you know. That can tell us something.
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Old 03-13-2015, 08:35 AM
 
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What does that have to do with the discussion? Just because I do not think something that happened 400 years ago should be dealt with today does not mean I am not well educated, I think my MANY posts here have more than shown that I am a reasonably intelligent person. The poster has not given any reasons for me to change my mind. This may not be "politically correct" in todays society but too bad. Jay
Reread my original quote of yours I'm referring to how Native Americans were treated hundreds of years ago, which has been well documented, and is taught in schools. It's called history.

And no, I never mentioned a smallpox blanket, Wilton2ParkAve.
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Old 03-13-2015, 09:02 AM
 
Location: CT, New England
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Thought this might be a good read for you, W2PA. Not too far from us, either. Amherst, Massachusetts

Amherst and Smallpox
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Old 03-13-2015, 09:06 AM
 
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Thought this might be a good read for you, W2PA. Not too far from us, either. Amherst, Massachusetts

Amherst and Smallpox
Great read, and I'm aware of the letters authored by Lord Amherst. Never executed though and doesn't "jive" with epidemiology.
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Old 03-13-2015, 09:13 AM
 
Location: CT, New England
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Jay, I agree uprooting an entire town for a population of 300 sounds uneven, but, the fact is that Connecticut or even the entire United States, has never done enough for the Native Americans. Now and historically speaking. Edit: Just want to say that I don't support evacuating all of Kent and making it a Ghost town for 300 Natives. I'd prefer integration.

Besides, it really is there land. White Europeans are the ones who invaded. If tomorrow, Russia invades New England and 50 years down the line, we're all disparaged and have to relocate, would you guys just think to yourself about how it was long time ago. There's no point in fighting for it against the Russians who have settled there?

Easier said than done. The reality is that what happened 400 years ago (although, <200 is more accurate since it was ongoing) affects the people today. If you thought education in BPT is bad, you should see the statistics for Native Americans across United States. Especially in terms of poverty. And they weren't immigrants who lost everything to start new here and struggle. So, how did that exactly occur?

I'm getting off topic here, so, I won't say much after this small paragraph, but, many of us hold dear the genocide during WWII, but, fail to care about the genocide that took place in the land we call our nation. The Jews, Polish, and Gypsies survived. But there are many Native American tribes that have vanished and if not the people, there culture was definitely stripped by them through force.

All in all, I don't want any new casinos anywhere in Connecticut. I do want some kinda reparation for the few Natives that still are alive, live here, and keep their traditions floating. I'd like them to utilize that land for other businesses, venues, anything else that can be productive to Connecticut and New England overall. Another casino will cause a 4 way war between the two near New London, Springfield, and now, Western Connecticut. That's not going to be pretty for all 4 of them. That's my stance on this issue. Also, I'm talking about people who are quarter, half, and above breeds. Not someone who is like 1/32, lol!
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Old 03-13-2015, 09:19 AM
 
Location: CT, New England
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Great read, and I'm aware of the letters authored by Lord Amherst. Never executed though and doesn't "jive" with epidemiology.
Yeah, General Amherst is quite dubious at best, but, if you read in the conclusion section, it does state there was intent down in Pennsylvania in the 1760s. Shortly before the outbreak occurred in Massachusetts, I believe.

It happened, but wasn't responsible for solely wiping out everyone. That was a combination over the decades. Most died (especially in the Midwest) through forced expulsion and the starvation and poverty that followed them.
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