[JayCT]

Originally Posted by SAE72

Does anyone give any credit to Ella Grasso for supporting the extension of what was to be I-84 through Eastern CT in Dec 1977 ?
Regarding I 291, United States Representative William Cotter , in 1978, supported the position of the activist group Why- 291? , and asked for the $ 137 million dollars earmarked for the project set aside , to be used for mass transit.
Source: NY Times March 1978

July 11 2005 Hartford Courant article written by Steve Grant

“ I 291 Activist Dies “
Regarding the death of Charlotte Kitowski.
Within the article is states;
“ Finally in 1973 , then Governor Thomas Meskill cancelled the section of highway to run between I-91 in Windsor and I-84 in West Hartford “.

You keep changing the subject. I am not sure what her supporting I-84 (which is now I-384) which was under construction during her term has to do with the fact she canceled I-291 from Rocky Hill to Farmington.

Also I am not sure what William Cotter has to do with this either. Nice he wanted to try to trade the funds for I-291 for mass transit money but it does not work that way. You can’t trade highway money for mass transit money. They come from two different agencies, Federal Highway Agency verses Federal Transit Agancy, though it may have been different back then but doubt it.

Finally as I said there was an alternative route for I-291 from West Hartford to Windsor that was after the project Meskill canceled. It avoided the controversial reservoir area but that was canceled by then Governor Ella Grasso.

She also refused to provide funding to operate an already built monorail at Bradley Airport that was the first phase of a mass transit link between the airport and downtown Hartford. Talk about wasting taxpayer dollars.

And then there was the ridiculous plan to change the size and spacing of the white dashed lines on our highways to save a few thousand dollars that resulted in basically a solid white line down the center of the Merritt Parkway. Forget the fact that it did not conform to federal requirements as outlined in the Manual on Uniform Traffic Control Devices. 🙄 I was young but even I thought it was stupid yet she bragged about the money being saved which I thought was mere pocket change. That was the beginning of my interest in transportation and noticing her very cheap and short sighted ways. Jay

[GeoffD]

Originally Posted by East of the River

Figure 5 shows the toll spots proposed in the full report. Interesting methodology only one gantry per town, which makes them somewhat easy to bypass. Some are pretty hard to go around other really easy. Like the one on 91 in Enfield would be pretty easy to bypass and only add 3-4 minutes to your trip. They were trying to prevent short commuters from not using the highway it seems. Not concerned with people who jump on two exits to get across town. If you read between the lines in the report they seem to really want to target out of staters who will drive right thru. That's pretty much the theory of the New Hampshire 95 toll. Tolls on some of those roads like 291 seem a bit annoying thou.

I commuted using the I-95 toll in New Hampshire when I lived in Portsmouth. It would take 15 minutes to avoid it using Route 1. The only time I ever avoided it was summer Friday and weekend traffic jam season. Friday afternoon, I’d avoid 495 and 95 and cut through Exeter on secondary roads.

I drive between Hartford and Providence all the time using 74-44-101-6. That is going to be awful when tolls happen. It’s already a truck route.

[JayCT]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

I commuted using the I-95 toll in New Hampshire when I lived in Portsmouth. It would take 15 minutes to avoid it using Route 1. The only time I ever avoided it was summer Friday and weekend traffic jam season. Friday afternoon, I’d avoid 495 and 95 and cut through Exeter on secondary roads.

I drive between Hartford and Providence all the time using 74-44-101-6. That is going to be awful when tolls happen. It’s already a truck route.

None of those highways are limited access expressways so I doubt you are going to be paying a lot, if anything at all. I am not even sure you would see much of a difference in traffic once tolls are implemented. They really don't parallel an expressway in Connecticut that would have tolls. Jay

[lginlg]

Here's a peek at what a new government commissioned study recommends for pricing and locations of proposed tolls across CT.

https://patch.com/connecticut/across...-they-could-be

[GeoffD]

The Newport Bridge in Rhode Island is $4.00 for out-of-staters and $0.83 for RI residents with an EZ Pass transponder. Politically, that's what would work in CT. Nail the trucks and the out-of-state through drivers.

[MrGompers]

Originally Posted by GeoffD

The Newport Bridge in Rhode Island is $4.00 for out-of-staters and $0.83 for RI residents with an EZ Pass transponder. Politically, that's what would work in CT. Nail the trucks and the out-of-state through drivers.

Businesses will just add the cost of the new tolls to their bills. They will not be paying any tolls.
Out of staters could get a CT EZ pass and receive in state rates. Although I doubt many people know that and would actually bother.


If someone drove thru enough states with tolls they could just get ez pass for each state to to get in state rates. I doubt many people would go thru that hassle though.


I would love love love to see a grass roots campaign telling out of staters to get CT ez pass transponders to get instate toll rates. That is one monkey wrench that no one has considered.

With instant communication nowadays it should be easy enough.

We can have cool hashtags and websites like #F___Lamont #F____CT tolls #stoprapingmywallet


#Tollsaretoodamhighandsoistherent

#ilostmycashatthecasinonowyouwanttollmoney


#CTrepublicansgotonethingright

[JayCT]

Originally Posted by MrGompers

Businesses will just add the cost of the new tolls to their bills. They will not be paying any tolls.
Out of staters could get a CT EZ pass and receive in state rates. Although I doubt many people know that and would actually bother.


If someone drove thru enough states with tolls they could just get ez pass for each state to to get in state rates. I doubt many people would go thru that hassle though.


I would love love love to see a grass roots campaign telling out of staters to get CT ez pass transponders to get instate toll rates. That is one monkey wrench that no one has considered.

With instant communication nowadays it should be easy enough.

We can have cool hashtags and websites like #F___Lamont #F____CT tolls #stoprapingmywallet


#Tollsaretoodamhighandsoistherent

#ilostmycashatthecasinonowyouwanttollmoney


#CTrepublicansgotonethingright

Why would you ever want that? It would only place more of the transportation cost burden on Connecticut residents or reduce what transportation improvements that we can do. Is that what you really want? That is like cutting off your nose to spite your face. We are better than that. Jay

[JayCT]

Could this work here in Connecticut? Jay

https://www.ctpost.com/local/article...m-13384094.php

[Henry10]

Originally Posted by JayCT

Could this work here in Connecticut? Jay

https://www.ctpost.com/local/article...m-13384094.php

Cable lifts work well in steep and short distances. CT has neither. Besides, they do take real estate for stations and right-of-ways. They also add to the visual pollution.

Besides technical issues. There is a reason why congested areas in the developed world doesn’t use them, except specialized uses.

No, no, and no.

[OyCrumbler]

Originally Posted by Henry10

Cable lifts work well in steep and short distances. CT has neither. Besides, they do take real estate for stations and right-of-ways. They also add to the visual pollution.

Besides technical issues. There is a reason why congested areas in the developed world doesn’t use them, except specialized uses.

No, no, and no.

They also work for crossing bodies of water which is why NYC has the Roosevelt Island tram. They're interesting, but their capacity generally isn't huge. There are actually some examples of these being used in a dense urban setting in the developed world aside from the Roosevelt Island tram, though I'm not sure if there's any situation in CT in particular where making one would make sense.