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Old 06-03-2016, 11:09 PM
 
Location: Connecticut
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The state is in no position to financially help these owners. I doubt that the very powerful insurance lobby in our state would allow the state to force them to cover it either. I feel badly for these owners but I am not sure what they can do at this point. Jay
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Why don't you think the state could help? If there were 300 affected houses, and it cost $200,000 to fix an affected foundation, that would be $60 million. We're not so broke that we can't help our fellow citizens, IMO.
Average middle class people are NOT politically connected and DO NOT contribute to political campaigns. There will not be now nor in the future any help for these people via the Govt.

Now that they believe they have identified the reason for the poor concrete every one in the supply chain will be sued in a class action suit hopefully. Time is of the essence, so I hope that a group of lawyers are building a case. Actually, if I was one of the homeowners I would file my suit(s) ASAP and not wait around for any class action lawyers to show up.

Time is of the essence since all the companies involved know or should know that they are going to be sued for every cent they have. We don't want to give them time to start withdrawing cash and assets from the business(es) before suits are filed.
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Old 06-07-2016, 09:38 AM
 
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Default Houses in Northeast CT with crumbling foundations

Sharing this story in the NYT today: http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/08/ny...worthless.html

It seems like this is localized in CT to 20 towns where houses may have used concrete from a specific company during the 80s.

Edit: oops just saw there is already a thread on this. Jay please delete/merge into that thread.
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Old 06-07-2016, 09:39 AM
 
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Yeah there was a discussion not long ago about this on here...crazy...

Editing to add, here is the link to the thread... Crumbling Foundations
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Old 06-07-2016, 09:44 AM
 
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Yeah there was a discussion not long ago about this on here...crazy...

Editing to add, here is the link to the thread... Crumbling Foundations
Thanks, just caught that right before you posted! reading that thread just now it seems like they thought at that time it would be a few hundred houses but the NYT seems to think possibly thousands are affected. Crazy.
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Old 06-10-2016, 01:26 PM
 
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Thanks, just caught that right before you posted! reading that thread just now it seems like they thought at that time it would be a few hundred houses but the NYT seems to think possibly thousands are affected. Crazy.
Thousands is right - just the tip of the proverbial iceberg is showing at the moment and the problem is likely to get much, much bigger. My builder (long dead at this point) had an exclusive contract with the concrete company in question to supply concrete for homes the builder built, so any of those houses are suspect. The other problem is that we have been told that JJ Mottes has never changed the composition of their aggregate and they have been providing concrete for homes and other projects (like the new bridge on 195 in Tolland on the way to UCONN) up until very recently. Since it takes a number of years for the concrete problem to show itself, the affected towns in northeastern Connecticut may be seeing this problem for years to come.

On my street (we have less than 20 houses on the street) alone, 4 are confirmed to have the problem along with another 3-4 that have not yet been confirmed. I have pretty much given up on getting anything meaningful done by the state or federal government. State officials talk a great deal about helping us, but it has been excruciatingly painful going to meeting after meeting with no significant progress. We've been told that FEMA will not get involved unless we hit a threshold of 582 homes that are deemed uninhabitable. That's just not the way this disaster works - it's a much slower pace than anything that FEMA typically deals with, so unless something changes significantly I don't think we will ever be helped by FEMA.
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Old 06-10-2016, 03:03 PM
 
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Thousands is right - just the tip of the proverbial iceberg is showing at the moment and the problem is likely to get much, much bigger. My builder (long dead at this point) had an exclusive contract with the concrete company in question to supply concrete for homes the builder built, so any of those houses are suspect. The other problem is that we have been told that JJ Mottes has never changed the composition of their aggregate and they have been providing concrete for homes and other projects (like the new bridge on 195 in Tolland on the way to UCONN) up until very recently. Since it takes a number of years for the concrete problem to show itself, the affected towns in northeastern Connecticut may be seeing this problem for years to come.

On my street (we have less than 20 houses on the street) alone, 4 are confirmed to have the problem along with another 3-4 that have not yet been confirmed. I have pretty much given up on getting anything meaningful done by the state or federal government. State officials talk a great deal about helping us, but it has been excruciatingly painful going to meeting after meeting with no significant progress. We've been told that FEMA will not get involved unless we hit a threshold of 582 homes that are deemed uninhabitable. That's just not the way this disaster works - it's a much slower pace than anything that FEMA typically deals with, so unless something changes significantly I don't think we will ever be helped by FEMA.
Thanks for sharing your experience... that's terrible. So what choice do you guys have? Clearly replacing the foundation will cost a fortune but are people able to spot-repair to slow down the damage? Think people will start rushing to sell their homes to get ahead of the fallout?
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Old 06-10-2016, 03:47 PM
 
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Thousands is right - just the tip of the proverbial iceberg is showing at the moment and the problem is likely to get much, much bigger. My builder (long dead at this point) had an exclusive contract with the concrete company in question to supply concrete for homes the builder built, so any of those houses are suspect. The other problem is that we have been told that JJ Mottes has never changed the composition of their aggregate and they have been providing concrete for homes and other projects (like the new bridge on 195 in Tolland on the way to UCONN) up until very recently. Since it takes a number of years for the concrete problem to show itself, the affected towns in northeastern Connecticut may be seeing this problem for years to come.

On my street (we have less than 20 houses on the street) alone, 4 are confirmed to have the problem along with another 3-4 that have not yet been confirmed. I have pretty much given up on getting anything meaningful done by the state or federal government. State officials talk a great deal about helping us, but it has been excruciatingly painful going to meeting after meeting with no significant progress. We've been told that FEMA will not get involved unless we hit a threshold of 582 homes that are deemed uninhabitable. That's just not the way this disaster works - it's a much slower pace than anything that FEMA typically deals with, so unless something changes significantly I don't think we will ever be helped by FEMA.
What do you expect state or federal officials to do to help you?

I don't think taxpayers should bail you out. It isn't fair and I shouldn't have to pay for your problems.

When does it end
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Old 06-10-2016, 06:04 PM
 
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What do you expect state or federal officials to do to help you?

I don't think taxpayers should bail you out. It isn't fair and I shouldn't have to pay for your problems.

When does it end
I think your attitude is antithetical to a functional society. People are going to be ruined through no fault of their own. It would cost you (and each of the rest of us) almost nothing to help, and would save other productive members of your community from financial ruin. Why WOULDN'T you help?
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Old 06-10-2016, 09:18 PM
 
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I think your attitude is antithetical to a functional society. People are going to be ruined through no fault of their own. It would cost you (and each of the rest of us) almost nothing to help, and would save other productive members of your community from financial ruin. Why WOULDN'T you help?
I bought a house with a 3 year old roof in 1990. The shingles failed 2 years later. Second owners weren't covered. No one helped. I was stuck having to replace a 5 year old roof that failed through no fault of my own. This was not long after getting laid off, also through no fault of my own.

Life does suck sometimes.....

And yes, I do feel for those who have "life sucks" moments because I sure know how they feel. Yet I'd prefer not to have to pay into other peoples problems as I have my own to deal with. (we can get into the proposed 26% Anthem increase, which is going to make my payment unaffordable, also through no fault of my own). I am paying into enough of other peoples issues, let's not add another one.
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Old 06-11-2016, 06:45 AM
 
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I think your attitude is antithetical to a functional society. People are going to be ruined through no fault of their own. It would cost you (and each of the rest of us) almost nothing to help, and would save other productive members of your community from financial ruin. Why WOULDN'T you help?
I think the liberal view is antithetical to a functioning society. Look at the state of CT as an example.

The politicians promise free gifts in exchange for votes. The politicians need to find this money from somewhere so they take it from the rich to give to the needy. They make up a story that this all has to do with fairness and if you disagree your are racists. Eventually the gifts run out and the state goes bankrupt.

The free gifts don't end up helping anyway and just create dependence. Now we have more people in poverty due to sky high out of wedlock births. This is the country created by Obama & Hillary

Please feel free to give counterexamples.
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