[CTDex]

Originally Posted by BobNJ1960

I doubt Ct could. The land is sovereign, and the state had to negotiate, not dictate the 25%. Now the citizens they can dictate to.

If that's the case then so much for the idea. I was curious how much say the state has in the reservation.

[CTDex]

Originally Posted by Blargrifth

Calling them Native American doesn't make sense either. I was born here, I'm native and I'm American, but I'm not Indian.

Agreed, majority of the people living here are "native"



There are no really accurate terms that sound good to use. Indians is wrong historically but used out of habit.



The Indians I met out in Wyoming preferred to be called "Indian" - their preference is by tribe because they said they had nothing to do with the ones living in CT but Indian was fine with them.

[wtby4000]

Originally Posted by FutureTown

I'm aware, but, I think they are in the wrong to be called Indian. It doesn't make sense to me. The only Indians are that of India.

I feel the same about the people from the Republic of Georgia. They're not from Atlanta. They should find another name!!!

[dazzleman]

Originally Posted by CTDex

Considering the dire budget situation one source of additional revenue could come from the "Indian" Casinos.


The state receives 25% of revenue on all slot machines and I believe that's still the case.



The 2014 combined revenue from both Casinos was $1.9 billion.


Report: Foxwoods & Mohegan Sun Hard Hit by Regional Gaming Expansion - ICTMN.com


It's time to increase CT's take from these fake Indians.

The state's share of the revenue was based on an agreement with the casino operators. I don't think the state can just unilaterally increase it. In any case, the casinos have been suffering because too many have been opening. There is only so much demand for that stupidity, and government as usual is killing the cow by overmilking it in order to feed its addiction to reckless spending.

[BobNJ1960]

Originally Posted by dazzleman

The state's share of the revenue was based on an agreement with the casino operators. I don't think the state can just unilaterally increase it. .

Correct. The land is not part of Ct. It is legally separate.

[CTDex]

Originally Posted by dazzleman

The state's share of the revenue was based on an agreement with the casino operators. I don't think the state can just unilaterally increase it. In any case, the casinos have been suffering because too many have been opening. There is only so much demand for that stupidity, and government as usual is killing the cow by overmilking it in order to feed its addiction to reckless spending.

No. But they may be able to renegotiate the agreement.


Agreed, profits have been declining and will decline even further if the casinos in Hartford and Springfield, MA open.

[FutureTown]

Originally Posted by wtby4000

I feel the same about the people from the Republic of Georgia. They're not from Atlanta. They should find another name!!!

Except, the only Indians known to this world are actually from India. The basis for Native Americans to be called "Indians" and for people living in the Caribbeans to be called West Indian is not correct.

I am not saying that some Native Americans prefer the term Indian, but, it's historically wrong. There is no India in North America.

[wtby4000]

Originally Posted by FutureTown

Except, the only Indians known to this world are actually from India. The basis for Native Americans to be called "Indians" and for people living in the Caribbeans to be called West Indian is not correct.

An incorrect "basis" by itself is not a reason for changing a name.

If that was the case, then the capital of Connecticut should be pronounced and spelled Hertford, which is the English city for which it was named. The colonists made a mistake in the spelling.

Would you support renaming Hartford Hertford?

[EasternCTBias]

1) CT cannot unilaterally increase the percentage of slots profits it receives from the tribes. The state & tribes negotiated a compact per federal law. If CT were to violate the compact, the tribes could stop payment on the 25% and the state would get nothing until a new compact was re-negotiated.

2) I know many Pequots and Mohegans from high school and living/working in the region. They are largely ok with being called Indian (maybe this has changed). They are "real" Native Americans. Many are part-black because the Pequots were sold into slavery after the pequot war; others were given as wards to the Mohegans and Narragansetts. Many lived in southern RI (where the Narragansett Reservation is located). Many lived in Chad Brown housing project in Providence. Many (Pequot & Mohegan) are white and lived in the region [especially Mohegans, who allied with the British and then lived in Norwich/Montville] before the casinos were built. My point is, it is a very diverse tribe due to historical events. But the tribes received federal recognition and membership requirements are very stringent and cannot be faked. To insinuate otherwise is destructive, ignorant and IMO hate speech.

3) I would recommend "Revenge of the Pequots" by Kim Isaac Eisler (my preference) or "Hitting the Jackpot" by Brett Fromson over Benedict's book. Benedict's book was panned by historians and IMO uses less-than-objective means to meet a nefarious agenda.

[CTDex]

Originally Posted by EasternCTBias

1) CT cannot unilaterally increase the percentage of slots profits it receives from the tribes. The state & tribes negotiated a compact per federal law. If CT were to violate the compact, the tribes could stop payment on the 25% and the state would get nothing until a new compact was re-negotiated.

2) I know many Pequots and Mohegans from high school and living/working in the region. They are largely ok with being called Indian (maybe this has changed). They are "real" Native Americans. Many are part-black because the Pequots were sold into slavery after the pequot war; others were given as wards to the Mohegans and Narragansetts. Many lived in southern RI (where the Narragansett Reservation is located). Many lived in Chad Brown housing project in Providence. Many (Pequot & Mohegan) are white and lived in the region [especially Mohegans, who allied with the British and then lived in Norwich/Montville] before the casinos were built. My point is, it is a very diverse tribe due to historical events. But the tribes received federal recognition and membership requirements are very stringent and cannot be faked. To insinuate otherwise is destructive, ignorant and IMO hate speech.

3) I would recommend "Revenge of the Pequots" by Kim Isaac Eisler (my preference) or "Hitting the Jackpot" by Brett Fromson over Benedict's book. Benedict's book was panned by historians and IMO uses less-than-objective means to meet a nefarious agenda.

They are "diverse" because they have very little ancestry to begin with. Federal Requirements are hardly "stringent"- they must be among the most lenient in the entire world when it comes to determining ethnicity.

Neither the Mohegans nor the Pequots even have a minimum "blood quantum" requirement to join the tribe, unlike many other Indian tribes, because there is almost nobody who can meet these requirements.

Mohegan Tribal chief Ralph Sturges, who helped the "tribe" received recognition for the casino, only had 1 great-grandparent!! He could not speak the original Mohegan language or knew anything about it.

How many of those still alive can speak, read, write, or understand anything of the original languages? What do they actually know of and practice about the culture? Little to nothing!

If you compared the Mohegans and Pequots to a tribe like the Navajos then nobody would ever think them similar.


CT's "Indians" are completely fake!