[andthentherewere3]

Originally Posted by reason180

People live in fear. They are afraid to leave their house after dark because of the violence associated with drug gangs in certain areas.

Businesses close down because of the drug gangs.

Innocent by-standers get shot because of the drug gangs.

Those communities were destroyed by the drug game, and the drug game is financed with suburban dollars. Once the community was under siege the other types of crime started to rise. The truth hurts doesn't it?

Even though the suburban rapists and thieves prefer to commit those crimes in their boring suburban towns, the Elliot Spitzer wannabes have no problem driving into the city looking to buy "you know what"...... There are several strip clubs in Bridgeport that are notorious for "extras" and they get customers from all over CT as well as Westchester and the Bronx every weekend.

Do you have statistics that prove Bridgeport's crime is committed by suburbanites, or is this just your educated opinion?

[Srib]

reason180 has pointed out in a prior post that in a AP report almost 10 years ago, 70% of drug transactions in the city of bridgeport were due to suburbanites coming into the city and buying their drugs. Its a weak argument at best to the statement "that a lot of the crime commited in the cities is due to suburbanites" and I find flaw with a ten year old study that is specific to bridgeport only. And the truth doesn't hurt because you, reason180 are not telling it. I lived in Hartford for 14 years - in that time my home was burglarized 3 times, my mothers car (garaged) was broken into once and there were two attempts to break into our home through the basement. I'm sure it was the suburbanites coming into the city and doing that right? I'm the first one to defend living in the cities because I know there is good and bad everywhere and I would never dissuade anyone from living in the city, but I would tell them the whole story, not just the good or the bad and the facts about city life speak for themselves.

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[JViello]

Originally Posted by Srib

reason180 has pointed out in a prior post that in a AP report almost 10 years ago, 70% of drug transactions in the city of bridgeport were due to suburbanites coming into the city and buying their drugs. Its a weak argument at best to the statement "that a lot of the crime commited in the cities is due to suburbanites" and I find flaw with a ten year old study that is specific to bridgeport only. And the truth doesn't hurt because you, reason180 are not telling it. .

Moreover the data from said "survey" is flawed.

It's stated that

"Seventy percent of those arrested for buying drugs on the East Side were from out of town; they would exit I-95, make their purchases and then scoot back onto the interstate. So authorities set up concrete " Jersey barriers " at 40 intersections, creating a maze that prevented quick getaways."

So let me get this straight. They set up a sting to entrap people from outside the area and then say "everyone is from outside the area". Riiiiiight. That's not biased data.

That's like me setting mouse traps in my backyard and then saying "70% of rodents in my backyard are mice".

[Rockinkiwi]

I grew up in Greenwich in a 3 family house occupied 2/3 by my own family! LOL My mom, dad, brother and I lived on the first floor, while half of the second and all of the third were occupied by my aunt, uncle, and 4 cousins. We rented the second half of the 2nd floor to a tenant. My Grandmother was a 5 second walk across a small brook that had a bridge that spanned over it connected her backyard to mine.

I loved living in Greenwich. Yes, I know it has its reputation, and given the real estate values, surprised my family could afford to live there. (Maybe they could afford it because of the fact that the house was owned by the entire family) Greenwich is a beautiful town, gorgeous beaches, lovely parks and great shopping....if you can afford it.

I moved to Philadelphia 8 years ago and have just moved back to Connecticut and am living in Meriden. It's affordable, and close to my office. I'm near the major highways, and my neighborhood is quiet, a big change from Philadelphia, and a welcome one at that!

[reason180]

Originally Posted by Srib

but I would tell them the whole story, not just the good or the bad and the facts about city life speak for themselves.

So why not tell the whole story about the suburbs? You want to buy heroin in large quantities and then see a cockfight head over to Manchester.

March 4, 2008
MANCHESTER, Conn. -- Authorities discovered a cockfighting ring during a drug bust in Manchester on Monday inside a house along a quiet country road that winds its way through farmland.

Manchester police said the animals were part of a cockfighting ring, an illegal sport in which the birds fight to the death and people bet on which rooster will win. Channel 3 Eyewitness News reporter Len Besthoff reported one of the animals has to be put down because of its ailing health.

How about these upstanding citizens from Trumbull???

March 2008
NARCOTICS COUNTS: Three Trumbull men were arrested on narcotics charges in Bridgeport after a motor vehicle stop Saturday evening.

Michael A. Mizzoni, 19, of Arliss Drive; Ronald L. Baldino, 21, of Rockwell Avenue; and Michael W.
Flemmings, 20, of Sanford Avenue, are each charged with possession of narcotics and possession of narcotics with intent to sell.
Mizzoni, the driver, is further charged with failure to use a turn signal.

Officers found folds of crack cocaine and heroin in the men's possession and in the car, police said.

Or this guy from West Hartford:

March 2008
A 23-year-old West Hartford man who was a suspect in a bank robbery at People's Bank in West Hartford this morning was shot and killed by state police after he threatened troopers with a knife.

Joseph Bak was also a suspect, said Capt. Lori Coppinger, in a rape at knife-point of a woman on Geneva Avenue in West Hartford sometime Sunday.

[JViello]

Originally Posted by reason180

So why not tell the whole story about the suburbs? You want to buy heroin in large quantities and then see a cockfight head over to Manchester.

March 4, 2008
MANCHESTER, Conn. -- Authorities discovered a cockfighting ring during a drug bust in Manchester on Monday inside a house along a quiet country road that winds its way through farmland.

Manchester police said the animals were part of a cockfighting ring, an illegal sport in which the birds fight to the death and people bet on which rooster will win. Channel 3 Eyewitness News reporter Len Besthoff reported one of the animals has to be put down because of its ailing health.

DAMN, and I thought no one knew about our thriving underground cockfighting business here in Manchester! We had plans to expand and corrupt upstanding crime free places like Hartford and New Britain but those meddling kids stopped our plans!

Dude, get real. Seriously. But I am willing to bet their main draw was NOT from the citizens of Manchester. How much you wanna bet their MAIN draw was from the South Side of Hartford and the Spanish community?

Crime statistics are what they are. The cities are riddled with crime over and above the burbs. What's the big deal to you, it's just reality.

Oh and I grew up in a clapped out ghetto in Waterbury so I'm not some prep school graduate looking down my nose at people...I simply realize what "is".

P.S. You STILL never answered the question I asked:

So are the people from the burbs driving in and committing rape, burglary, assualts, stealing cars and other property too? ALL of those stats are MUCH MUCH higher in the cities per capita than in the burbs.

[paule]

Originally Posted by JViello

DAMN, and I thought no one knew about our thriving underground cockfighting business here in Manchester! We had plans to expand and corrupt upstanding crime free places like Hartford and New Britain but those meddling kids stopped our plans!

Dude, get real. Seriously. But I am willing to bet their main draw was NOT from the citizens of Manchester. How much you wanna bet their MAIN draw was from the South Side of Hartford and the Spanish community?

Crime statistics are what they are. The cities are riddled with crime over and above the burbs. What's the big deal to you, it's just reality.

Oh and I grew up in a clapped out ghetto in Waterbury so I'm not some prep school graduate looking down my nose at people...I simply realize what "is".

P.S. You STILL never answered the question I asked:

So are the people from the burbs driving in and committing rape, burglary, assualts, stealing cars and other property too? ALL of those stats are MUCH MUCH higher in the cities per capita than in the burbs.

I don't know if this discussion is still progressing, or if it has stalled out, but people tend to commit crimes in cities or towns where they do not live, but are familiar with. For instance, it would be rare for someone from Hartford to travel to Waterbury, but someone from Naugatuck would travel to Waterbury, and vice versa. Also, the close proximity to a highway helps, as does knowledge of the streets in a city to whether someone will purchase drugs, but overall drug addiction, including alcohol is a factor in approximately 85% of ALL crimes. We must look at the indulgance of our culture. Being able to purchase, buy, spend, only everything and anything is not always beneficial for a stable society.
Also, living on top of one another is a major factor for cities and crime. The FHA approved 1.2 Billion dollars worth of loans after WWII, for the development of suburbs, but only 2% of those loans were given to races or ethnicities other than "white". The Housing Projects were built to house all the other people groups, i.e. blacks, Hispanics, Italians, Portuguese, and other Southern Europeans, etc...all groups who were not white.
Peace!

[Srib]

Originally Posted by reason180

So why not tell the whole story about the suburbs? You want to buy heroin in large quantities and then see a cockfight head over to Manchester.

Wow you are really, really, really trying.....i could pull up some great articles from hartford news this week too if I wanted too, but I won't bother. No one ever said there isn't crime in the suburbs - duh its everywhere. You said something specific, now you can't back it up and you're all over the place. Also, aren't you contradicting yourself? According to you, shouldn't the people in Manchester be driving to Hartford to buy their drugs?? I guess they don't have to since they can buy heroin right in town...and watch a cockfight at the same time! Drugs with perks!

[Srib]

Originally Posted by paule

The Housing Projects were built to house all the other people groups, i.e. blacks, Hispanics, Italians, Portuguese, and other Southern Europeans, etc...all groups who were not white.

While the jury is still out in some circles - the majority of Portuguese people from mainland portugal consider themselves caucasian. While I don't want to get into a long dissertation on race, the Iberian peninsula was split into Hispania and Lusitania, Lusitania being current day portugal. A google search will provide plenty of details or arguments depending on the view. Italians would tell you the same.