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Old 01-26-2019, 12:39 PM
 
Location: Connecticut
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Since someone brought up rails....The infrastructure is currently in place for rail service from Bridgeport to Danbury, Danbury to Poughkeepsie, Danbury to Waterbury, Waterbury to Hartford. And it was in place from both Hartford to Worcester & Providence before it got replaced by a rails to trail bike path for part of it. Granted, those aren't terrible congested routes, and some of the service is way out of the way (i.e the Bridgeport to Danbury train would have to run through New Haven County) that it wouldn't make since to take the train unless you: A) wanted to kill time or B) really hated driving, but you take some cars off the road and that's a start.

Of course here in Trumbull if they kept the rails instead of that Housatonic trail I probably wouldn't be driving anywhere in the state which I really wouldn't mind that much. Unfortunately, none of the people that killed the railroad 80 years ago are alive or driving today, but if they were, they would see how short-sighted it really was in hindsight.
The reason those train lines were abandoned is they lacked riders. I doubt even today there would be sufficient riders to justify reactivating these. Jay
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Old 01-26-2019, 04:42 PM
 
Location: Connecticut
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If its so bad, MOVE........just MOVE. Life is way too short. Its a free country and no one is holding a gun to ones head to live or drive here!

There are so many areas in this great nation of ours that are less crowded. I'll NEVER understand why people put up with such bad traffic.

New Hampshire would be perfect if it wasn't even colder than it is here. Plenty of uncrowded AND less expensive places in the South and out West.

I really hope this state loses population in the coming decades.
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Old 01-26-2019, 05:10 PM
 
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Kind of obvious. It's pretty much the worst NIMBY thing on the planet. You could push 8 lanes with real shoulders plus high speed rail down that path without having to take an inch of land. How is an overpass built in 1938 any way "historic"?
Right on GeoffD! In a region of the country which dates back to the 17th century, claiming bridges built in 1938 are historic is patently absurd.
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Old 01-26-2019, 07:05 PM
 
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Kind of obvious. It's pretty much the worst NIMBY thing on the planet. You could push 8 lanes with real shoulders plus high speed rail down that path without having to take an inch of land. How is an overpass built in 1938 any way "historic"?
Yes, the bridges are considered historic. Generally anything older than 50 years can be considered historic. Remember that the grand old Pennsylvania Station in New York City was 53 years old when it was torn down because it was deem obsolete. After it was gone, people realized what a horrible mistake was made.

The same thing goes for the Merritt Parkway which is 80 years old. Once it is gone, people will think “what the h*** were we thinking”. Fortunately there are enough people in Connecticut that think it is worth saving.

As for the NIMBY, you may be right. The Merritt Parkway cuts through some of the priciest real estate in the country. Replacing it with a modern superhighway certainly would negatively impact those properties. I doubt any of the towns along the corridor would support it. And I hate to tell you, a project like that would require some local support. Jay
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Old 01-27-2019, 07:48 AM
 
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Yes, the bridges are considered historic.

That's nonsense. They're only "historic" because the NIMBY people have managed to declare them historic.
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Old 01-27-2019, 09:17 AM
 
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That's nonsense. They're only "historic" because the NIMBY people have managed to declare them historic.
The Merritt Parkway was the first limited access highway in the state. It was one of the first highways to feature a wide landscaped median. The original parkway bridges are all uniquely designed in Art Deco and Art Moderne styles with architectural elements that are beautiful and unique. It was not listed on the National Register of Historic Places on the whim of some NIMBY neighbors. The register does not work that way. It takes a lot to get on it including proving historic value. The Merritt Parkway was proven to be worthy of the listing. Jay
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Old 01-27-2019, 09:24 AM
 
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It was not listed on the National Register of Historic Places on the whim of some NIMBY neighbors. The register does not work that way. It takes a lot to get on it including proving historic value. The Merritt Parkway was proven to be worthy of the listing. Jay

It was listed there by rich people who live near the parkway doing NIMBY.
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Old 01-27-2019, 10:11 AM
 
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It was listed there by rich people who live near the parkway doing NIMBY.
It does not matter who nominated it. The Merritt Parkway would not have been listed if it did not fully meet the criteria required for listing. It clearly does whether you like it or not. It is also a National Scenic Byway and a State Scenic Highway. Jay

https://www.gsa.gov/real-estate/hist...istoric-places

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Scenic_Byway

https://www.ct.gov/dot/cwp/view.asp?a=2094&q=305520
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Old 01-27-2019, 12:13 PM
 
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Maybe the follow up question is whether the people who came up with the criteria for National Scenic Byways and State Scenic Highways were doing the bidding of NIMBY's. Are many of these historic categorizations merely camoulflage for NIBMYism?
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Old 01-27-2019, 12:29 PM
 
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Maybe the follow up question is whether the people who came up with the criteria for National Scenic Byways and State Scenic Highways were doing the bidding of NIMBY's. Are many of these historic categorizations merely camoulflage for NIBMYism?
Of course they are camouflage for NIMBYism. Think of this logically, they setup regulations to ensure the road or whatever is being restricted cannot be altered from what they wanted at the time of designation.
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