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Old 01-13-2019, 01:15 AM
 
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Your memory is bad. Malloy issued lay off notices to 10k state employees, followed thru with **** canning 2,800. .
Should have followed through with the full quantity of layoffs for 6 months (meaning, at minimum, 10k unemployed 6 full months). Then he would get a better deal for the state.
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Old 01-13-2019, 06:42 AM
 
Location: Live in NY State, work in CT
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It's quite sad that some people view SNAP recipients as "freeloaders." SNAP serves a very important purpose; a safety net to prevent hunger and many people truly NEED it. You can't just look at those who are abusing it and assume that ALL recipients are abusing it. I like to ask....when was the last time you saw an honest person using their SNAP benefits? Huh?

Not to mention, welfare spending is a VERY small portion of the state and federal budgets. Even if they were abolished, it wouldn't do much to resolve the budget problems.

Living in a red state isn't all its cracked up to be. I live in one now. Wages are LOW. Rents are not any cheaper. There are more poor people and poverty, crime and schools are much worse overall. Obesity is higher. No income tax? Big deal. If 5% of your income is so critical to have, then fine, move to a no income tax state.

I still like Florida though and do not plan to move back to CT ever. I am thrilled that tomorrow will be 75 degrees and sunny. And six months out of the year, it's under 80 degrees. In fact, here in Jacksonville, even in the summer, it's usually under 90.

I am glad you finally found happiness and stability. I consider Florida to be a weird case in terms of "red vs. blue". Your part is most certainly "red" but the southern half (third?) is mostly "blue". Maybe the only true "purple" state in the nation which has caused a lot of problems for it.
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Old 01-13-2019, 08:46 AM
 
Location: Coastal Northeast
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It's quite sad that some people view SNAP recipients as "freeloaders." SNAP serves a very important purpose; a safety net to prevent hunger and many people truly NEED it. You can't just look at those who are abusing it and assume that ALL recipients are abusing it. I like to ask....when was the last time you saw an honest person using their SNAP benefits? Huh?

Not to mention, welfare spending is a VERY small portion of the state and federal budgets. Even if they were abolished, it wouldn't do much to resolve the budget problems.

Living in a red state isn't all its cracked up to be. I live in one now. Wages are LOW. Rents are not any cheaper. There are more poor people and poverty, crime and schools are much worse overall. Obesity is higher. No income tax? Big deal. If 5% of your income is so critical to have, then fine, move to a no income tax state.

I still like Florida though and do not plan to move back to CT ever. I am thrilled that tomorrow will be 75 degrees and sunny. And six months out of the year, it's under 80 degrees. In fact, here in Jacksonville, even in the summer, it's usually under 90.
I’m not sure I’d call FL a red state through and through. This past election was so close and FL has gone blue many times. The Miami/Fort Lauderdale metro, which is very liberal, usually carries the state. Now that they’ve given convicted felons back their right to vote, you’ll see FL go blue almost every single election going forward. This will effectively make FL a solid blue state, IMO.
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Old 01-13-2019, 10:40 AM
 
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Not to mention, welfare spending is a VERY small portion of the state and federal budgets. Even if they were abolished, it wouldn't do much to resolve the budget problems.

Money spent on poor people is a huge fraction of state spending in affluent urban blue states. About 25% of the state budget goes to Medicaid/CHIP kid Medicaid. Another ~15% goes to prop up K-12 in the failed cities. Cash welfare is usually less than 2% of the state budget but by the time you add up all the money spent on poor people, it's more than half the state budget.


At the Federal level, if you count the gap between Social Security payments and Medicare spending to low income people and their inflation-adjusted lifetime contributions, you get an enormous amount of spending on low income people at the Federal level, too.


I'm fine with the progressive nature of all of this but if you went full-on Libertarian and zeroed out all progressive social spending, you'd easily cut taxes in half.
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Old 01-13-2019, 01:43 PM
 
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I’m not sure I’d call FL a red state through and through. This past election was so close and FL has gone blue many times. The Miami/Fort Lauderdale metro, which is very liberal, usually carries the state. Now that they’ve given convicted felons back their right to vote, you’ll see FL go blue almost every single election going forward. This will effectively make FL a solid blue state, IMO.

Few will vote. 80% will be back in jail, again and again, as they commit new felonies.
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Old 01-13-2019, 03:48 PM
 
Location: Coastal Northeast
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Few will vote. 80% will be back in jail, again and again, as they commit new felonies.
If even 20% vote, they’ll be well over the number the democrats need to make the state blue.
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Old 01-13-2019, 04:38 PM
 
Location: Coastal Connecticut
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If even 20% vote, they’ll be well over the number the democrats need to make the state blue.
I read 1.5 million Floridians are former felons. Is that accurate? That's like 7%+ of the total population. Insane.
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Old 01-13-2019, 05:49 PM
 
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I read 1.5 million Floridians are former felons. Is that accurate? That's like 7%+ of the total population. Insane.
It’s correct, but you also have to consider what constitutes a felony in many states is barely a misdemeanor in others. FL is notably tough on crime (as are states like AZ, TX), all of which have a high number of convicted felons. The states least tough on crime (CT, NY, CA) are also the states with the lowest rates of convicted felons. The numbers really mean nothing since the laws and sentencing aren’t the same across the board.

That said, yeah, it’s going to make a HUGE difference in FL’s political climate since statistically, convicts tend to vote Democrat. Like I said above, I don’t see FL ever going red again.
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Old 01-13-2019, 06:25 PM
 
Location: W Hartford, CT
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I’m not sure I’d call FL a red state through and through. This past election was so close and FL has gone blue many times. The Miami/Fort Lauderdale metro, which is very liberal, usually carries the state. Now that they’ve given convicted felons back their right to vote, you’ll see FL go blue almost every single election going forward. This will effectively make FL a solid blue state, IMO.
There's an old saying, the further north you go in Florida, the more in the south you are.

If you look at the Florida electoral map by county, almost all of the key Democratic strongholds are in Miami-Dade, Orlando and Broward Counties.

For a state that just re-elected a Republican governor, I was kind of surprised to see such a large % of the citizens vote in favor of restoring voting rights for felons. Don't get me wrong, I'm happy to see it passed, but Florida is the state that so often determines our national elections, and as you said and I agree, this may turn Florida blue, which could then turn America blue. Might not happen overnight, but I agree it will soon.
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Old 01-13-2019, 06:32 PM
 
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If even 20% vote, they’ll be well over the number the democrats need to make the state blue.
True

I figure 75% will mostly be in jail, rest of their life, after committing more felonies.
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