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Old 02-08-2019, 06:23 PM
 
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I am shocked it still appears not just unsolved, but w/o any further investigative progress.
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Old 02-08-2019, 10:08 PM
 
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https://www.courant.com/breaking-new...6hi-story.html


I am shocked it still appears not just unsolved, but w/o any further investigative progress.
Very sad indeed. Looks like someone from New York got off the first exit in CT and dumped the body. The story does say they are still investigating.

"Police hinted Thursday that materials from the scene were sent to the forensic lab.“Many pieces of possible physical evidence were collected and results from forensic analysis are pending,” Lt. John Slusarz said in a release. “The cause of death has not been confirmed by the OCME.”
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Old Yesterday, 03:05 AM
 
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Killer was an illegal alien!
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Old Yesterday, 06:46 AM
 
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Incredibly disturbing. I’ve heard a lot of people say “legal citizens commit crimes too”, but that doesn’t change the fact that if the US appropriately cracked down on immigration issues, this young woman would still be alive.
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Old Yesterday, 07:17 AM
 
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Incredibly disturbing. I’ve heard a lot of people say “legal citizens commit crimes too”, but that doesn’t change the fact that if the US appropriately cracked down on immigration issues, this young woman would still be alive.
As I posted in another thread, there is a Bill in the CT Legislature to prevent Police Officers from inquiring about the citizenship status of motorists they pull over. Another cog in the machinery of a Sanctuary policy.
Why is anyone surprised? When an elected Representative in Congress celebrates their status as illegals by buying pizza from them, and stands with them in protest , that broadcasts the welcome mat that is ready and willing.

The suspect has duel citizenship from Portugal and Venezuela. When arrested, he didn't want the Venezuela Consulate notified, perhaps fearing he might eventually be deported there . So the media will accommodate him, as leaving Venezuela out of the conversation is preferred for them at this time . There was another illegal arrested in NYC for murder just last week, in broad daylight at a subway station. He was mentioned in the State of the union address, but because he went " missing" for a number of ours , his status as an illegal only came out later.

Bills in the Legislature like the above , and others to expunge the criminal records of those convicted after certain time periods , along with passing Laws preventing Employers for even asking about previous criminal history give you an idea where Democrats want to go.

Massachusetts has a similar " ban the box" Law like CT , that prevents employers from asking about previous criminal history. Just the other day, an employee was arrested in Mass for placing a cell phone in a woman's changing room at a Resort . After being arrested , it was revealed that he was a convicted felon with 27 charges The Resort said they fired him after he was arrested. He was let out on $ 1000 Bail. No problem, he won't have to mention any of it when he applies for another job.
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Old Yesterday, 10:01 AM
 
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As I posted in another thread, there is a Bill in the CT Legislature to prevent Police Officers from inquiring about the citizenship status of motorists they pull over. Another cog in the machinery of a Sanctuary policy.

The suspect has duel citizenship from Portugal and Venezuela. When arrested, he didn't want the Venezuela Consulate notified, perhaps fearing he might eventually be deported there . So the media will accommodate him, as leaving Venezuela out of the conversation is preferred for them at this time.


Bills in the Legislature like the above , and others to expunge the criminal records of those convicted after certain time periods , along with passing Laws preventing Employers for even asking about previous criminal history give you an idea where Democrats want to go.

Massachusetts has a similar " ban the box" Law like CT , that prevents employers from asking about previous criminal history. Just the other day, an employee was arrested in Mass for placing a cell phone in a woman's changing room at a Resort . After being arrested , it was revealed that he was a convicted felon with 27 charges The Resort said they fired him after he was arrested. He was let out on $ 1000 Bail. No problem, he won't have to mention any of it when he applies for another job.

1) That has to do with federal law vs state law. What state laws are violated by an illegal immigrant? Its the federal governments jobs to enforce immigration laws, if you want the state to do it, the federal government should be giving states money to enforce that policy.

2)Why is leaving Venezuela out of it preferred by the media? And if so, why has all media that has reported on it, mentioned that he was overstayed his visa from Venezuela and was an illegal immigrant?

3) Expunging criminal records. If the punishment for the crime is time served / probation, and that has been completed successfully, why is there additional punishment? Do we want people who commit crimes to then recommit, or do we want them to productive members of society?

4) Employers are prevented from ASKING the APPLICANT, but thy can conduct a criminal background check themselves... "Mass. Gen. L. c. 151B § 4(9˝) in August 2010. The law prohibits employers from asking about any information related to a job applicant’s criminal record in the initial written application. In addition, pursuant to Mass. Gen. L. c. 151B § 4(9), employers are prohibited from requesting certain criminal record information from applicants at any point in the application process, even after receiving the initial written application. Specifically, employers may not request information from an applicant, either written or orally, regarding: (1) “an arrest, detention, or disposition regarding any violation of law in which no conviction resulted”; (2) a first conviction of a misdemeanor for “drunkenness, simple assault, speeding, minor traffic violations, affray, or disturbance of the peace”; or (3) any misdemeanor where the date of conviction or completion of incarceration “occurred five or more years prior” to the date of application for employment, unless the applicant has been convicted of any offense in that same period."

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Old Yesterday, 10:34 AM
 
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1) That has to do with federal law vs state law. What state laws are violated by an illegal immigrant? Its the federal governments jobs to enforce immigration laws, if you want the state to do it, the federal government should be giving states money to enforce that policy.

2)Why is leaving Venezuela out of it preferred by the media? And if so, why has all media that has reported on it, mentioned that he was overstayed his visa from Venezuela and was an illegal immigrant?

3) Expunging criminal records. If the punishment for the crime is time served / probation, and that has been completed successfully, why is there additional punishment? Do we want people who commit crimes to then recommit, or do we want them to productive members of society?

4) Employers are prevented from ASKING the APPLICANT, but thy can conduct a criminal background check themselves... "Mass. Gen. L. c. 151B § 4(9˝) in August 2010. The law prohibits employers from asking about any information related to a job applicant’s criminal record in the initial written application. In addition, pursuant to Mass. Gen. L. c. 151B § 4(9), employers are prohibited from requesting certain criminal record information from applicants at any point in the application process, even after receiving the initial written application. Specifically, employers may not request information from an applicant, either written or orally, regarding: (1) “an arrest, detention, or disposition regarding any violation of law in which no conviction resulted”; (2) a first conviction of a misdemeanor for “drunkenness, simple assault, speeding, minor traffic violations, affray, or disturbance of the peace”; or (3) any misdemeanor where the date of conviction or completion of incarceration “occurred five or more years prior” to the date of application for employment, unless the applicant has been convicted of any offense in that same period."
1. In this case possibly murder. In other cases possible fraud by falsifying documents. The Sanctuary Policy is not to inform Federal Agents when an illegal immigrant is in custody. The proposed Bill wants to go one step beyond that , preventing Police Officers from inquiring of them when stopped. Being in the United States without a Visa, work permit , or other legal reasons is a violation of the Law. What other Federal Laws should we now waive for American citizens ?

2. The MSM is leaning Left. Venezuela used to be their poster child for Socialism. Did you see the Editorial in the Courant this week? " America is leaning Left ", that's what they said. And we better get used to it. That's their line. Propaganda. Most negative press about Socialism is avoided by the MSM.

3. Part of growing up, a deterrent to negative behavior has been to " avoid having a record" . Avoid giving people a reason to not consider or to trust you. That has been the advice for years and years. When you remove deterrents you endorse certain behavior. The path of least resistance is infectious to humans. Wipe the slate clean, and what is there to fear ? wipe the slate clean and the convicted criminal may move in next door to you. Also in the Legislature are Bills to restore voting rights to convicted felons, and even to those incarcerated. More " Social Justice"

4. See # 4 above. Why not consider the safety and rights of the innocent ? Why must there be changes for the benefits of criminals that directly affect law abiding citizens ? If you are a criminal that is YOUR problem to solve, not the problem for others to have to accommodate with special circumstances.
This isn't trial by the media. If due process is served, that's the circumstances that a criminal should face, the consequences are known ahead of time. Unless evidence is shown to the contrary , criminal activity is is done by their own free will. Why should innocent law abiding citizens have to put up with it, and then coddle them ?

Try this. Go to the daily dockets of arraignments at the Courts in CT. Look at the names, and then do a data search for previous appearances on the docket. How many first time appearances do you see ? How many multiple ? Ask yourself why that is ? And you think we should lighten up so there could be a strong certainty that those multiple appearances would increase ?
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1. In this case possibly murder. In other cases possible fraud by falsifying documents. The Sanctuary Policy is not to inform Federal Agents when an illegal immigrant is in custody. The proposed Bill wants to go one step beyond that , preventing Police Officers from inquiring of them when stopped. Being in the United States without a Visa, work permit , or other legal reasons is a violation of the Law. What other Federal Laws should we now waive for American citizens ?

2. The MSM is leaning Left. Venezuela used to be their poster child for Socialism. Did you see the Editorial in the Courant this week? " America is leaning Left ", that's what they said. And we better get used to it. That's their line. Propaganda. Most negative press about Socialism is avoided by the MSM.

3. Part of growing up, a deterrent to negative behavior has been to " avoid having a record" . Avoid giving people a reason to not consider or to trust you. That has been the advice for years and years. When you remove deterrents you endorse certain behavior. The path of least resistance is infectious to humans. Wipe the slate clean, and what is there to fear ? wipe the slate clean and the convicted criminal may move in next door to you. Also in the Legislature are Bills to restore voting rights to convicted felons, and even to those incarcerated. More " Social Justice"

4. See # 4 above. Why not consider the safety and rights of the innocent ? Why must there be changes for the benefits of criminals that directly affect law abiding citizens ? If you are a criminal that is YOUR problem to solve, not the problem for others to have to accommodate with special circumstances.
This isn't trial by the media. If due process is served, that's the circumstances that a criminal should face, the consequences are known ahead of time. Unless evidence is shown to the contrary , criminal activity is is done by their own free will. Why should innocent law abiding citizens have to put up with it, and then coddle them ?

Try this. Go to the daily dockets of arraignments at the Courts in CT. Look at the names, and then do a data search for previous appearances on the docket. How many first time appearances do you see ? How many multiple ? Ask yourself why that is ? And you think we should lighten up so there could be a strong certainty that those multiple appearances would increase ?
1) we aren't talking about this specific case, coming into this country illegally, or overstaying a visa aren't state crimes, they are federal...

2)Venezuela is not a poster child for socialism, the Nordic countries are, our military, our police departments, our fire departments etc all are. And you still weren't able to explain that if there is a bias against Venezuela, why has it not shown in ANY of the articles of this murder? You didn't answer, because it doesn't fit your false narrative.

3)Again, you fail to answer the fundamental question... do you want people to serve time and then recommit crimes, or do you want them to be productive members of society. How you treat those people leads to one or the other.

4) You were wrong, and i posted the bills text to show you that, you can't admit you're wrong.

No point in furthering this discussion with you. You ignore statements of fact.
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1) we aren't talking about this specific case, coming into this country illegally, or overstaying a visa aren't state crimes, they are federal...

2)Venezuela is not a poster child for socialism, the Nordic countries are, our military, our police departments, our fire departments etc all are. And you still weren't able to explain that if there is a bias against Venezuela, why has it not shown in ANY of the articles of this murder? You didn't answer, because it doesn't fit your false narrative.

3)Again, you fail to answer the fundamental question... do you want people to serve time and then recommit crimes, or do you want them to be productive members of society. How you treat those people leads to one or the other.

4) You were wrong, and i posted the bills text to show you that, you can't admit you're wrong.

No point in furthering this discussion with you. You ignore statements of fact.


1. If an American citizen is stopped by the Police, or their name is checked on a database,Their marker plates scanned as they drive by a Police car, and a Federal warrant is pending, they will be arrested and detained. Why should an illegal , who is in the country in violation of Federal Law not face the same consequences ? A violation of the Law is a violation of the Law.

2. You certainly haven't been reading Leftist writings the past dozen years, have you ? I have , extensively. Cuba is another country Leftists point to , usually regarding their Health care. There is a reluctance of the MSM to demonstrate any negativity towards Socialists and leftists in general. Did you read the Hartford Courant Editorial? Have you seen their Editorial page day after day with opinions by leftists ?

Our Police Departments , Fire etc are not Socialists. They serve the communities at large, and what of the Volunteer Fire Depts? Socialist also ? Nonsense. There are specific functions of a working Government that must be maintained for the good of the citizens at large. What next, the schools , they are Socialist ? There are many forms of Socialism. History provides plenty of truth to the dangers of Socialism, along with all the dead bodies.

3. You haven't spent much time with the criminal element have you ? When you remove deterrents , you enable and encourage certain behavior. If a person wants to be a productive member of society , avoid criminal behavior like the majority of citizens do. There isn't any need to navel gaze and hand wringing over the issue. You do the crime, you pay the price. Whatever exists inside you as a person has to deal with the consequences. A society has to protect itself from criminals , not protect criminals from the rules of society.

4. The fact is that a person with a felony record with 27 charges is accused of a crime and was able to get a job, and innocent women were exposed to his depravity. Do you have a wife? Daughters? Want to protect them ? You think we should make it easier for criminals to prey on them ? Not me. Pretty simple, regardless of your cut and pasting.

And finally, regarding the illegal charged with the murder of the young woman , it is 100 % certain that if he was not in this country illegally , he could not have killed her. She would be alive. That is true for every American citizen killed by an illegal.

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violation of the Law is a violation of the Law.
Easy there Judge Dredd... Improper presence in the US under current law is a misdemeanor that is actually handled civilly. If it were tried criminally the threshold for the government to prove it's case is beyond a reasonable doubt to a jury which would tie up the system.

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Our Police Departments , Fire etc are not Socialists. They serve the communities at large, and what of the Volunteer Fire Depts? Socialist also ? Nonsense.
I hate to say but you may not know your history when it comes to fire and police brigades before we decided to... GASP... socialise the cost to benefit the public.

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There are specific functions of a working Government that must be maintained for the good of the citizens at large.
Yeah, you're describing democratic socialism here.

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What next, the schools , they are Socialist ?
Very much yes.

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History provides plenty of truth to the dangers of Socialism, along with all the dead bodies.
Because corporatism is so clean of hands...

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3. You haven't spent much time with the criminal element have you ?
Yes. I have.

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When you remove deterrents , you enable and encourage certain behavior.
So you're for brutally prosecuting white collar criminals instead of low level offenders? Good to know.

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You do the crime, you pay the price. Whatever exists inside you as a person has to deal with the consequences. A society has to protect itself from criminals , not protect criminals from the rules of society.
Never thought I'd see a supposedly patriotic American go against the rule of law, presumption of innocence, and generally trend towards authoritarianism but hey everyday is a new day.

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4. The fact is that a person with a felony record with 27 charges is accused of a crime and was able to get a job, and innocent women were exposed to his depravity. Do you have a wife? Daughters? Want to protect them ? You think we should make it easier for criminals to prey on them ? Not me. Pretty simple, regardless of your cut and pasting.
Most crimes against women and daughters are committed by close family or friends. Same with just about everyone really...

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And finally, regarding the illegal charged with the murder of the young woman , it is 100 % certain that if he was not in this country illegally , he could not have killed her. She would be alive. That is true for every American citizen killed by an illegal.
And I'm positive if we put more resources into bigger crimes like FCPA we wouldn't have an boorish, know-nothing nativist, and possible foreign asset as CiC but hey hands we're dealt.

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