[kidyankee764]

Originally Posted by trustmeiknow

I live in New Haven county and I can tell you it's really 50% Yankees fans and 50% Red Sox fans, or close to that. There are some Mets fans here and there but the other two teams are definitely the majority. When I go to Stop & Shop, for example, I will see a pretty equal number of people with Yankees hats and Red Sox hats on. I see a lot of Yankees decorations on cars and same for Red Sox. I would say Wallingford is the line in between because Meriden seems more Red Sox-oriented and North Haven more Yankees-oriented. Let the record show I'm a Yankees fan.

I disagree. It's split 50/50 in central CT until you get to the shoreline and New Haven area - it definitely leans NY. I also agree that all of the CT shoreline can be unofficially considered metro NYC. Most people I know out there align themselves with NYers, have ties with Long Island and listen to NY radio stations.

Regarding the media, I remember being surprised in the days after 9/11 when News Channel 8 reported on the attacks in Manhattan as if it were 5,000 miles away, not under 100. To this day I will not watch Ch 8 because of their agenda.

[bluecountry]

Originally Posted by kidyankee764

I disagree. It's split 50/50 in central CT until you get to the shoreline and New Haven area - it definitely leans NY. I also agree that all of the CT shoreline can be unofficially considered metro NYC. Most people I know out there align themselves with NYers, have ties with Long Island and listen to NY radio stations.

Regarding the media, I remember being surprised in the days after 9/11 when News Channel 8 reported on the attacks in Manhattan as if it were 5,000 miles away, not under 100. To this day I will not watch Ch 8 because of their agenda.

Thank you for bringing some sanity.

Why would people in New Haven...who might commute to FF County and get NY stations...align with Boston...can you take a ferry to the Cape?
Nope.

So we agree Southern/Western CT are aligned with New York and part of the region...not 50/50 but 75/25 or what split?

What is and why does Channel 8 have an agenda...haven't people complained?

[kidyankee764]

Originally Posted by bluecountry

Thank you for bringing some sanity.

Why would people in New Haven...who might commute to FF County and get NY stations...align with Boston...can you take a ferry to the Cape?
Nope.

So we agree Southern/Western CT are aligned with New York and part of the region...not 50/50 but 75/25 or what split?

What is and why does Channel 8 have an agenda...haven't people complained?

I know a few Boston fans in Fairfield County, and they are Sox fans because their family is from central Mass. I also think a lot of people are 'bandwagon fans.' Whoever is winning at the time. Then you have the "Anybody but the Yanks" fans who claim to be Boston fans simply because they're the Yanks biggest rival.

I'd say Fairfield County is split between Yanks and Mets, some Boston but not many. New Haven County is mostly Yanks fans with some Boston. Litchfield is about 65/35 in favor of the Yanks, and east of NH County is 60/40 in favor of the Yankees. Hartford is probably close to 50/50, maybe 60/40 being generous in favor of the Sox. These numbers are all just guesses.

[wavehunter007]

Originally Posted by bluecountry

WaveHunter...I'll ask here to not confuse


1) Don't you think the Red Sox increase in hats is just switchovers from the Mets/Yankee haters/Bandwagoners?

2) What would you say the split is for
-Danbury
-Waterbury
-Madison
-Old Saybrook
-Hartford?

I've heard people say Danbury has a big Sox presence...BALONEY I say...it BORDERS NY and part of FF County.
It is 80 miles to NY...many more to Boston...WHY would it go for Boston...because they are part of New England?

I've also heard that Waterbury is for Boston...again it is closer to New York.

Same argument for Madison and Old Saybrook.

Yes...let's root for a team in Boston that is twice as far...and whose radio, tv stations we do not get...because we are CT a NE state.

I also think a lot of people are 'bandwagon fans. It’s baseball – not open-heart surgery…..I don’t think most folks are so caught up in it as the media hypes it up to be. In that Danbury,Waterbury, Madison, Old Saybrook, Hartford list …..I also find it tough to believe that it’s 50/50 fans….with the exception of Hartford, of course. Cities and towns are tough to call.

A far as Channel 8 (WTNH) they are strong-armed by LIN up north. The Executive producer of Channel 8 is from Boston I have heard – he hates NYC and is pretty closed-minded from what I have read. If you’re interested, Channel 8 also has a web blog. I agree Channel 8 acted like 9-11 was out in CA and not 77 miles from New Haven. Many Connecticut residents were killed in 9-11. Marketing and money however rule, no matter how grave the event.

Just like everything else….time and demographics….. are slowly changing things regardless of whether people like it or not.

[kidyankee764]

Originally Posted by wavehunter007

I also think a lot of people are 'bandwagon fans. It’s baseball – not open-heart surgery…..I don’t think most folks are so caught up in it as the media hypes it up to be. In that Danbury,Waterbury, Madison, Old Saybrook, Hartford list …..I also find it tough to believe that it’s 50/50 fans….with the exception of Hartford, of course. Cities and towns are tough to call.

A far as Channel 8 (WTNH) they are strong-armed by LIN up north. The Executive producer of Channel 8 is from Boston I have heard – he hates NYC and is pretty closed-minded from what I have read. If you’re interested, Channel 8 also has a web blog. I agree Channel 8 acted like 9-11 was out in CA and not 77 miles from New Haven. Many Connecticut residents were killed in 9-11. Marketing and money however rule, no matter how grave the event.

Just like everything else….time and demographics….. are slowly changing things regardless of whether people like it or not.

I knew a 20 year old Fairfield County girl whose life ended on 9/11. Her family said WFSB and WVIT had called them on the one year anniversary for an interview (which the family declined), while News Channel 8 was doing a special on a MA family who lost their lives on one of the planes. Now everyone's life is equally important, but why do a special on non-locals when CT locals were affected, in many ways, more drastically due to the proximity to Manhattan?

It's not just about sports. It's everything.

I agree that as time goes on, demographics are changing. A friend of mine who works for the town of Seymour said a large number of new residents held a former address in NY. Western New Haven County is becoming the Fairfield County of the 80's and 90's.

[bluecountry]

I'd like to ask...do we all agree that the Q Poll is WAY off?


Here is what I object to
1) That FF County has close to 20% Boston Red Sox fans...almost the same margin of Yanks to Sox fans as East CT is Sox to Yanks fans.
I say FF County has no more than 10% and is far more partisan towards NY than East CT is to Boston
2) That NH County has only a slight lean to the Yanks.
I feel NH County is only slightly lower than FF County in terms of Yanks margin
3) That Litchfield County has a slight lean to Boston.
[i]I feel Litchfield County is majority by large Yanks.
4) That Middlesex County leans to the Sox.
I feel Middlesex County edges to the Yanks
5) That Hartford County is 50/30 Sox to Yanks.
I feel Hartford County edges to the Sox slightly



So I ask
1) Do YOU guys feel this is accurate?
2) If so...then why does the Q Poll come in waaaay different? I read that Q has a historically good rep for doing polls...yet I hardly can buy their latest...so we have a conflict...is there an explanation?
Is the Q Poll right...or is it wrong...and if so...is Q overrated or is it just harder to poll this? Is there some hidden 'agenda?'
3) You note that LIN is having a Fox News type 'agenda'....haven't the residents of CT complained about this...and is there any relief in sight?
Do you feel CT is stuck with a misreprenstative media or is it going to be different?
4) Do you feel this media bias is effecting the preference for those in CT...do you think it is or will lead to people identifying less with being tri state and more with New England/Boston?
5) Why is it to the common census map corroborated the Q Poll...might they be right..which I find REALLY hard to believe..and if not...why then do TWO sources show this spread?
6) Last

I agree that as time goes on, demographics are changing. A friend of mine who works for the town of Seymour said a large number of new residents held a former address in NY. Western New Haven County is becoming the Fairfield County of the 80's and 90's.

Are you saying CT is changing to becoming more pro New York..and it is due to transplants?
I always felt those people in FF, NH, Southern/Western that were born and raised there...not transplant...they naturally aligned and went with New York...that it was NOT just due to migration.
Is it?

Thanks!

[darkone]

Bluecountry -

How is the climate in the tri-state region, especially north and east of NYC so drastically different from that of the Boston area? The vast majority of the time the difference in temperatures is only a few degrees at most.

The weather patterns and nature of the seasons are all the same. The only difference is that the NYC tri-state area tends to be marginal for snowfall during the wintertime, while the Boston area (especially the western suburbs) gets hit with snow twice as often.

Even if there were a significant difference in climate, which there isn't, what would this have to do with sports teams affinities?

And "Puritan Mass. ?" The greater Boston area, especially the older, industrial sections inside and near Rte. 128 have a very similar feel to some of the areas of NYC and NJ that I have been to ..... Ever been to Lynn, Revere, Newton, Framingham, Natick, driven through the tunnels to the airport, etc. This all feels very similar to the NY/NJ area to me.

[bluecountry]

Originally Posted by darkone

Bluecountry -

How is the climate in the tri-state region, especially north and east of NYC so drastically different from that of the Boston area? The vast majority of the time the difference in temperatures is only a few degrees at most.

The weather patterns and nature of the seasons are all the same. The only difference is that the NYC tri-state area tends to be marginal for snowfall during the wintertime, while the Boston area (especially the western suburbs) gets hit with snow twice as often.

Even if there were a significant difference in climate, which there isn't, what would this have to do with sports teams affinities?

And "Puritan Mass. ?" The greater Boston area, especially the older, industrial sections inside and near Rte. 128 have a very similar feel to some of the areas of NYC and NJ that I have been to ..... Ever been to Lynn, Revere, Newton, Framingham, Natick, driven through the tunnels to the airport, etc. This all feels very similar to the NY/NJ area to me.

I'll address both of your points.

1) I went to school in Boston so I lived in the region.
I really found it surprising just how different the Boston climate was from the tri state region, including CT.
Not only do they get more snowfall...significantly more...but the winter is a lot longer. The leaves fall off the tress there much earlier in October...and stay off much longer until just about Memorial Day. Southern CT and into Hartford...fall comes a good couple weeks later and the leaves are up by Mother's Day.
Not only that...but Boston is a lot more wet...this is very true in May...which is quite chilly..an extension on winter..until a quick turn to summer.
In summer...the heat waves are much more infrequent.
There really is noticable difference...only NE CT really compares to that of Mass/Boston.

2) I've been around those areas....once you get outside 128...it really has a small town feel...and the Salem/Plymouth and other areas...they just have a much more historical New England small town feel...that really I only see in the Mystic region in Eastern CT.
Thus I would feel NE CT and SE CT do have a lot more in common in terms of landscape, climate, and feel...and these aspects would make them identify more with Boston...but southern/western/central CT....it has a lot more of a tri state feel in terms of landscape and climate...and having this in common I feel would make them identify with New York.

[bluecountry]

See here is what I really would like unbiased, knowledgable CT residents to clear up.



We have conflicting facts

I always held my view that CT overall aligned with the NY region and sports.
-That FF had very little if any Boston presence, NH county was similar to FF County..Litchfield was for NY...Middlesex slightly NY
-Hartford slight Boston...and East CT was majority Boston but with a good NY minority.

Supporting this was
1) The map of where do rivals draw the line (2006)
http://www.nytimes.com/2006/08/18/sp...ll/18fans.html
2) This SI poll (2003)
SI.com - SI 50th - Connecticut


However others have said that CT is more for Boston, the Red Sox argue NH county is borderline...if not there's...and supporting this positon are
1) The Common Census
CommonCensus Map Project - Maps
2) The 2008 Q Poll
-The 2003 Q Poll showed NY had a 14 point advantage...which decreased every year until 2008 when Boston took a 1 point lead.


I. What is most accurate?

1) My hunch about CT's sports and regional loyalties overall and by county/town or the recent Q poll?

2) If the Q poll is right...how do you figure given what common sense would suggest CT and NH/Litchfield being more for NY?

3) If my feeling is more accurate...then why is the Q contradictory?
-Is this just a subject which is too cyclical to measure..and if so...can we conclude anything about the overall and county/town NY or BOS preference?
-Which data would you say is most accurate?

[JoeYanxfan]

Everything you say I agree with 100%! I just know there aren't that many Boston fans in the CT. Up here in Weatogue (in the south of Simsbury, Hartford County), it is pretty split... definitely not 60/30 in favor of New England sports teams. I am really skeptical of the survey. In fact, It is a pretty good rule to be skeptical with anything involving the Boston Red Sox . Quinnipiac may have received payment by that evil A-hole Lucchino aka "Red Sox Nation's" (notice the quotes) minister of propaganda. It was very bold of him to bring the trophy to New Haven--IMO, it was downright obnoxious. I still think CT is more of the New York mindset regardless of what the media wants you to believe. There has been an unmitigated Boston media crusade, especially post-'04, in Connecticut. The news stations, the Courant, the Radio (even downstate) has been infiltrated by the enemy. Can we really let them break our wills that easily? Wake up people! We should stage a reconquista (without the torturing, of course ) and take CT back. The Boston influence will soon reach a point of no return where will we TRUTHFULLY turn into the next Mass (I'll have fled to NY by then). Bostonization of the popular media is becoming overwhelming. There is a HUUGGGE campaign to smother and overshadow the Tri-State mindset with Puritanical, Parochial, New Englandist attitudes. We may need to enlist the help of NY before they lose us troopers . Seriously people, Bostonization is real. Examples: -Northland investments acquiring major properties in Hartford (Boston based) -Same company drawing up plans New England-centered theme park at the site of an old hospital in Norwich area. -Red Sox scouts trying to take players from areas deep into the Tri-State region, trying to convert townspeople into sox fans. -Comcast NEW ENGLAND offering a very paltry, pathetic array of NY stations to us here in CT (ATT is no better)--sign in New Haven reads: AT&T: New England, we've got you covered. (In New Haven?) -Again Lucchino and his trophy in New Haven... doubt we'll get the next Yankees trophy in New Haven. -Red Sox giving West Haven school children the trip to Fenway -Skewed media giving the impression that Boston is omnipresent in the state. -No local AM stations broadcast the Yankees--have to listen in on fuzzy 880 WCBS New York. -Tourism sector really pushing the New Englandness of CT on all residents. -HERE's the biggest culprit--Red Sox Nation, and the elections they hold to nominate representatives from all of the "Boston influenced area," which to them, includes Connecticut. -The news of course, if you'v'n't noticed. Worried about our state's future...