[CrissCT]

Originally Posted by JViello

Are there exceptions? Of course. But I'm talking more on a macro level.

For instance...I have a customer in Avon. Very large home - about 5500sf, in an exlusive neighborhood. Husband is a top level exec in the insurance industry.


I know, generalization - but on a macro level that's the take at least.

Seeing as you are citing 1 person in your example, that would be on the MICRO level, not the MACRO.

And for all of us with "1/2 a brain", it is poison, not "poisen".

Thirdly, I happen to be one of those Christians who agree the Christian Right has it all WRONG.

-Sincerely,
Sparky

[JViello]

Originally Posted by CrissCT

Seeing as you are citing 1 person in your example, that would be on the MICRO level, not the MACRO.

And for all of us with "1/2 a brain", it is poison, not "poisen".

Thirdly, I happen to be one of those Christians who agree the Christian Right has it all WRONG.

-Sincerely,
Sparky

This month in Liberal Poster Magazine:

How to defeat sound arguments

Can't respond with any facts or sound reasoning? Make them appear stupid by finding typos and improper grammer! You'll be the star of the thread and all your liberal friends will think you are cool. (And smart! )

Another smooth trick is to take sentences from all over the quoted post and then switch them up out of context and arrange them to back up your non existent point. You'll be a hero!

It's fast, easy and diverts all attention to the reality that was just presented you.

[goldenband]

Sorry, JViello, but your last post is exactly the kind of thing I can't stand. Why did you need to put that "liberal poster" stuff in there? You know as well as I do that conservatives do that kind of thing just as often -- even the most cursory Google search, or trips to a FoxNews comment thread, will show that. Think about how you would react if someone wrote something derogatory about conservatives, or Christians; by the same token, when you insulted CrissCT by emphasizing his "liberal"-ness, you insulted me too. Why not show us liberals (and I'm damn proud to call myself a liberal, btw) some respect?

(I do also think that taking the time to spell- and grammar-check one's posts is an issue of respect to fellow posters, be they liberal or conservative. I'm willing to cut people some slack, especially if they're dyslexic, but it's a lot easier to read and understand something that's in correct English.)

I don't have time to get into the other issues you raised, but I do have to say that, while I agree that there are definitely hypocritical folks on the left, I would ask that -- if you're genuinely interested in being a fair-minded, honest thinker -- you go after the hypocrites on the right with the same enthusiasm. People like:

those who talk of Christian charity, but do nothing whatsoever for their fellow man;

or those who go after affirmative action as unfair, but support legacy scholarships for unqualified-but-affluent kids with family connections;

or those who scream "Murderer!" at the top of their lungs while picketing Planned Parenthood, but turn around the following week and quietly take their knocked-up daughters in for an abortion;

or those who want to see illegal immigrants thrown in jail because "it's a crime and they're criminals", but who think nothing of (say) weaving through traffic at 95mph on I-84 in their Hummers and Beemers -- something that's profoundly criminal and far more toxic (and frankly I wouldn't object to them getting the death penalty, since one of my friends got killed by someone who did just that);

or those who, like Rush Limbaugh, call for the imprisonment of all drug users -- until they themselves are caught;

or the ministers who proclaim in their sermons that homosexuals will burn in hell, while seeing drugged-up "rent boys" on the sly.

These people, too, need to be taken down a peg, and it'd be nice to see Republicans and conservatives do more on that front, individually and as a group. In other words, it'd be nice to get the impression that they were holding themselves to a higher standard -- rather than a lower one in which, if someone in "their tribe" is attacked, the first impulse is to find an excuse, or a means of discrediting the accusation.

[JayCT]

This posts on this thread is boarding on insulting. Please refrain from name calling and flaming or I will close the thread. Thanks, Jay

[aroundthecorner059]

As a member of the religious right, I can say with confidence that the extreme views held by JViello are not shared by most tolerant Christian conservatives. There is zero accuracy in applying an inconsiderate action of one person to a policical party that millions of our fellow Americans belong to. I am awfully tired of people blaming all conservatives or all liberals for the misjudgement of an elected official or the actions of one. Where is the decency? It's obviously not evident in this thread!

[JViello]

Originally Posted by goldenband

Sorry, JViello, but your last post is exactly the kind of thing I can't stand. Why did you need to put that "liberal poster" stuff in there? You know as well as I do that conservatives do that kind of thing just as often -- even the most cursory Google search, or trips to a FoxNews comment thread, will show that. Think about how you would react if someone wrote something derogatory about conservatives, or Christians; by the same token, when you insulted CrissCT by emphasizing his "liberal"-ness, you insulted me too. Why not show us liberals (and I'm damn proud to call myself a liberal, btw) some respect?

or those who go after affirmative action as unfair, but support legacy scholarships for unqualified-but-affluent kids with family connections;

or those who scream "Murderer!" at the top of their lungs while picketing Planned Parenthood, but turn around the following week and quietly take their knocked-up daughters in for an abortion;

or those who want to see illegal immigrants thrown in jail because "it's a crime and they're criminals", but who think nothing of (say) weaving through traffic at 95mph on I-84 in their Hummers and Beemers -- something that's profoundly criminal and far more toxic (and frankly I wouldn't object to them getting the death penalty, since one of my friends got killed by someone who did just that);

or those who, like Rush Limbaugh, call for the imprisonment of all drug users -- until they themselves are caught;

or the ministers who proclaim in their sermons that homosexuals will burn in hell, while seeing drugged-up "rent boys" on the sly.

I too do not wish to devote a lot of time to this post either to be honest...but a quick reply anyway (speeelink mustakes and all).

1. It was tongue in cheek. Learn to laugh a little.

2. What is not true about the statement? He is a liberl, took my words out of context and focused on a spelling error while ignoring the facts in what I posted. Also, I didn't know "Liberal" was a bad word. I just thought it meant..."liberal". Color me stupid I guess.

3. All of your examples are way way way overdramatic and full of errors. I'm not saying there are not hypocrites on both sides. Not at all.

BUT making the case that all conservatives are rich with legacy scholarships is a smear. It's a smear to say that because most conservatives are NOT rich. Surprise! We simply want fair treatment for all regarding AA. Why exclude the poor white kid? That's called discrimination.

Making the claim that the majority of pro-life folks have abortions "secretly" is another unfounded and false smear. A lie. However, to us it IS murder. What would you call tearing a baby apart limb from limb, a "choice"?

Making the claim that all conservatives "weave through traffic in their BMW's and Hummers" is a false smear. How do you know that they are conservative by their driving actions and/or car choice? Come on...seriously

I have never ever heard Rush say "lock up all the drug users". I really haven't. But even if he did, are you going to tell me that you can't make the distinction between a crackhead who commits robbery to support his habit to someone that got hooked off of a prescription to take care of a medical condition? Again...more smear and inaccurate emotional bomb throwing.

A fallen minister. Interesting. I'm against porn. Because I have at times fallen prey to it, does that mean I should call it "good" now? I won't. It's evil and the truth is the truth, even if I can't live up to it.

Originally Posted by aroundthecorner059

As a member of the religious right, I can say with confidence that the extreme views held by JViello are not shared by most tolerant Christian conservatives. There is zero accuracy in applying an inconsiderate action of one person to a policical party that millions of our fellow Americans belong to. I am awfully tired of people blaming all conservatives or all liberals for the misjudgement of an elected official or the actions of one. Where is the decency? It's obviously not evident in this thread!

Oh please...so pro-life is extreme? The defense of marriage is extreme? Those are "extremist" points of view?

Yea, your part of the religous right alright...and I'm Micky Mouse.

[Rich Lee]

Originally Posted by JViello

What would you call tearing a baby apart limb from limb, a "choice"?

Who does that?

As for a partial-birth abortion, which I suspect you are attributing to mean "all abortions," that's a very small portion of pregnancy terminations. By the way, the correct term is "fetus."

[JViello]

Originally Posted by Rich Lee

Who does that?

As for a partial-birth abortion, which I suspect you are attributing to mean "all abortions," that's a very small portion of pregnancy terminations. By the way, the correct term is "fetus."

Suction Abortion: Used during the first three months of pregnancy - A suction tube (27 times stronger than a home vacuum cleaner) is inserted into the womb. The powerful suction tears the baby apart limb from limb and sucks it from the womb along with the placenta. The baby's remains are deposited into an attached waste bottle.

Abortion Procedures Described on Pro-Life America Website

[kidyankee764]

Originally Posted by JViello

2. What is not true about the statement? He is a liberl, took my words out of context and focused on a spelling error while ignoring the facts in what I posted. Also, I didn't know "Liberal" was a bad word. I just thought it meant..."liberal". Color me stupid I guess.

Funny, you basically swear up and down that liberals are the devil in a previous post, then say after being confronted that you meant no insult to our dear liberals on this board. Come on JV - don't mistake us for fools with your technicality of the day.

Originally Posted by JViello

Abortion Procedures Described on Pro-Life America Website

Gee, that's not biased or anything.

[aroundthecorner059]

Let me break it down for you, Mickey Mouse.

I am a Baptist (now belong to a WONDERFUL Baptist church in Stratford) who happens to believe abortion is disgusting and gay marriage is going to be a huge mistake down the road.

It seems the only difference between our belief systems, Mickey, is that I don't get heated to the point where my comments become borderline insulting and outrageous. I tolerate homosexuals but believe it is unnatural ... all the while having homosexual couples as good friends. (Not up for debate, just stating my beliefs).

Im going to be completely honest in saying this: Mickey Mouse, you scare the heck out of me!