*CODE SAFETY* That Time Of Year - Fireworks (home, litigation)
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We went to kids playing ~ cause well ~ where do you thinks those kids got that cherry bomb roman candle whatever? It is still the same, some reckless adult buys stuff, and then doesn't keep it safe from the kids and boom.... pretty lights and lost limbs. If you are going to break the law, just make sure you lock the stuff up and the kids don't know where the key is.
We went to kids playing ~ cause well ~ where do you thinks those kids got that cherry bomb roman candle whatever? It is still the same, some reckless adult buys stuff, and then doesn't keep it safe from the kids and boom.... pretty lights and lost limbs. If you are going to break the law, just make sure you lock the stuff up and the kids don't know where the key is.
I agree, it's the parents responsibility...not the state's.
Kids can get into just about anything and get in trouble. I guess we need to lock the garden shed...lots of sharp things and gasoline in there. Lock up the alcohol cabinet and fridge (beer), lock up the cleaning/automotive/pool supplies because you can do some damage there. (Chlorine and antifreeze...boom.)
IOW you can't just "lock stuff" and think that's being a parent. Fbam and I were talking about that this weekend. Both of our fathers/grandfathers took us out at a young age and MADE us shoot a 12 gauge (Both barrels in my case. lol). It knocked me on my ass and taught me to respect the power that it had. I never, ever touched a gun unsupervised after that. Same for fbam.
As for the "illegal" comments...funny but the same stuff is legal 1 hour North of here. What makes something illegal is not the "danger" of the product, but a piece of paper signed by your daddy..er, government.
Has anyone considered that this is also part of 2nd Amendment rights? So I can't own a mortar tube? Why not? It's gun powder it's explosives all the same. I must have missed that in the 2nd. I don't see "right to bear and keep only the arms the government deems acceptable for you have". Nope. I don't see "right to only bear and keep bb guns, paint ball guns and smoke bombs". Nope. Many people in New England had cannons on their property well after the revolutionary war. (The Howitzer of it's day.) Some are still around to this day...and illegal now. Go figure. Imagine being able to own an RPG these days or whatever if you so wish. That's how "radical" they were back then and how far we have strayed from our founding documents.
P.S. I don't see maimed kids and adults walking around where they are "legal". Oh and "cherry bombs" are no where to be found either. You people need to brush up on what you think these fireworks really are.
Point being, is that they ARE illegal JViello. And as such, a parent has the -responsibility- to teach their children to obey the law. They do -not- have the right to teach their children that it's OK to disobey the laws that they think are stupid. By shooting fireworks (other than sparklers) in your yard, you are TEACHING your child that they, too, can disobey.
And when they disobey you - will you just shrug it off, because they think it's a stupid thing you asked them to do, so therefore, according to your life's lessons to them, they don't have to do it? Or will you pull rank, lay down the law, teach them that hypocrisy is the new law of the land, and make them comply?
Which mixed messages will you choose to send them?
Point being, is that they ARE illegal JViello. And as such, a parent has the -responsibility- to teach their children to obey the law. They do -not- have the right to teach their children that it's OK to disobey the laws that they think are stupid. By shooting fireworks (other than sparklers) in your yard, you are TEACHING your child that they, too, can disobey.
And when they disobey you - will you just shrug it off, because they think it's a stupid thing you asked them to do, so therefore, according to your life's lessons to them, they don't have to do it? Or will you pull rank, lay down the law, teach them that hypocrisy is the new law of the land, and make them comply?
Which mixed messages will you choose to send them?
the hypocrisy is with the state. Passing laws that even the law enforcement officers will not enforce. all because some irresponsible parent never taught their child of the dangers of certain things and they were injured. then they start a campaign blaming the fireworks. It is always tragic if a child is hurt but it is the duty of the parent to teach them.
Have you never broken the law? EVER? maybe driving 5 mph over the speed limit or perhaps didn't use your blinker, maybe even break the sound ordinance by playing your favorite song too loud. There are some laws based in morality i.e. murder, rape, theft, (even excessive speeding) etc. etc. and there are some laws that are restrictive to your individual freedom and if you deem those to be "tyrannical", abuse of power, or over stepping bounds well then it is the parents responsibility to teach their child why. That is not hypocritical, laws are not always just. This country was founded on that principle. It may seem simplistic but what about an unfair tax on tea. just food for thought.
oh and if you are irresponsible with fireworks just like firearms and your child or anyone else gets hurt you should be held accountable for your actions or lack there of for that matter
I see both side of this. I like fireworks as much as the next guy; but when I'm dead asleep and @1:30am my across the street neighbors kid thinks its fun to light as many m-80's as he can in a minute...I'm ready to drive my tractor through their house!
This is how I feel. I don't mind up to a point.
Reading this thread makes me wonder why fireworks are illegal, but guns are not. Fireworks can be dangerous, but guns even moreso. I don't think it has to do with noise either, as not all towns have noise ordinances. So really, I don't understand why fireworks are illegal.
Point being, is that they ARE illegal JViello. And as such, a parent has the -responsibility- to teach their children to obey the law. They do -not- have the right to teach their children that it's OK to disobey the laws that they think are stupid. By shooting fireworks (other than sparklers) in your yard, you are TEACHING your child that they, too, can disobey.
And when they disobey you - will you just shrug it off, because they think it's a stupid thing you asked them to do, so therefore, according to your life's lessons to them, they don't have to do it? Or will you pull rank, lay down the law, teach them that hypocrisy is the new law of the land, and make them comply?
Which mixed messages will you choose to send them?
Allow me to make the distinction between something being "stoopid" and "Unconstitutional".
I hope my children WILL stand up for individual freedoms and core principles they believe in - even if it disagrees with the state. I hope they will not just disobey laws for the sake of "wanting too". One is selfish, the other shows character and principle. I refuse to have my 2nd amendment rights trounced upon and will exercise them freely and take the repercussions to stand up for that right.
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Originally Posted by fbam
the hypocrisy is with the state. Passing laws that even the law enforcement officers will not enforce. all because some irresponsible parent never taught their child of the dangers of certain things and they were injured. then they start a campaign blaming the fireworks. It is always tragic if a child is hurt but it is the duty of the parent to teach them.
Have you never broken the law? EVER? maybe driving 5 mph over the speed limit or perhaps didn't use your blinker, maybe even break the sound ordinance by playing your favorite song too loud. There are some laws based in morality i.e. murder, rape, theft, (even excessive speeding) etc. etc. and there are some laws that are restrictive to your individual freedom and if you deem those to be "tyrannical", abuse of power, or over stepping bounds well then it is the parents responsibility to teach their child why. That is not hypocritical, laws are not always just. This country was founded on that principle. It may seem simplistic but what about an unfair tax on tea. just food for thought.
oh and if you are irresponsible with fireworks just like firearms and your child or anyone else gets hurt you should be held accountable for your actions or lack there of for that matter
Exactly...well said.
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Originally Posted by andthentherewere3
This is how I feel. I don't mind up to a point.
Reading this thread makes me wonder why fireworks are illegal, but guns are not. Fireworks can be dangerous, but guns even moreso. I don't think it has to do with noise either, as not all towns have noise ordinances. So really, I don't understand why fireworks are illegal.
I agree.
Keep thinking about it, and look a little deeper. There are a lot of nanny laws around that fly in the face of the principles this country was founded on.
You can legally purchase fertilizer and illegally make a megaton bomb, but you can't legally have "snap caps" in CT because someone might pile a bunch together and create something that goes "bang" or whatever or get a boo boo.
Think about this one too...I can go purchase lbs and lbs of gunpowder legally and make my own bullets, yet they are afraid that some of these "fireworks" will be dimantled and/or used as ordinance. Please... If I was (And I'm not.) out to do some damage, the last thing I would consider using is a freakin bottle rocket or firecracker to do so.
A quick story on the dangers; when I was growing up in the 80's, my barber was at a 4th party and had a few too many in him. You guessed it! He was lighting m-80's and doh! forgot to throw it. It blew two fingers clean off and a third was re-constructed. This was on his cutting hand too. I hope he doesnt play with fireworks anymore, at least he shouldn't drink and play with them! He is still in business today.
A quick story on the dangers; when I was growing up in the 80's, my barber was at a 4th party and had a few too many in him. You guessed it! He was lighting m-80's and doh! forgot to throw it. It blew two fingers clean off and a third was re-constructed. This was on his cutting hand too. I hope he doesnt play with fireworks anymore, at least he shouldn't drink and play with them! He is still in business today.
Well...so what. Seriously. He paid the price, lost two fingers. He chose to play and got burned. I burned half a forest down playing with gasoline as a kid. (Something I regret to this day.) Should we outlaw gas?
And let me say it again - THOSE TYPE OF FIREWORKS ARE ILLEGAL NATIONWIDE AND NOT AROUND ANYMORE
Yes, they are around. And yes, they are illegal. But they're still around. There are kids blowing off M-80s and M-100s and throwing up 100-packs of salutes into the air on and off throughout the summer here. They arrested one guy that I know of, last year for selling them out of his trunk in a supermarket parking lot. No idea how many that I don't know of, and no idea how many did it successfully and didn't get caught.
But it does happen. All over the country.
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sounds like someone didn't get invited to a party......."I didn't want to go anyways it's STUPID"
