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Old 12-10-2012, 09:52 PM
 
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I don't hear differences between Radio Shack speaker wire and Audioquest.

Vmaxnc - I respect your posts here. But I don't truly believe you can hear the difference between a WAV file and 320kbps MP3 if you don't know which is which when you are listening.

The analog circuitry of the MP3 device may have been subpar.

I spent hours many years ago comparing a NAD1130 preamp vs. an Audio Research preamp listening to analog and Martin Logan Monolith speakers. I "think" I heard a slight difference in the width of a big band jazz recording. But I couldn't say which was better. There may have been a slight difference. But that slight difference wasn't worth $2000.
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Old 12-11-2012, 09:00 AM
 
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I don't hear differences between Radio Shack speaker wire and Audioquest.

Vmaxnc - I respect your posts here. But I don't truly believe you can hear the difference between a WAV file and 320kbps MP3 if you don't know which is which when you are listening.

The analog circuitry of the MP3 device may have been subpar.

I spent hours many years ago comparing a NAD1130 preamp vs. an Audio Research preamp listening to analog and Martin Logan Monolith speakers. I "think" I heard a slight difference in the width of a big band jazz recording. But I couldn't say which was better. There may have been a slight difference. But that slight difference wasn't worth $2000.
I've been around A/V for many years, both professionally and as a hobbyist, and gone through numerous trainings and demos. Maybe I do have a better grasp of what I'm listening for than you do. I may be a more critical listener when necessary. It was important for me to be able to explain differences in sound from various products so a client could make better choices as to what they preferred. It was fun to watch someone go from saying they knew they wouldn't be able to tell any difference to them pointing out differences without me prompting them. Their excitement became my excitement.

I would think there is a big difference between the two pieces of gear you mentioned. Whether it's worth $2K is a matter of personal choice. Keep in mind that pricewise you were comparing an entry level product (in the category of real audio gear) to what most would consider a high end component.

I remember listening to a B&K surround system at a trade show right after we became B&K dealers. Then I heard a Yamaha surround system at the same show. The difference was significant, even taking into account all the differences in the hardware and rooms. When I came back to the store I did some listening among various manufacturers. What I realized is that though Yamaha sounded great (I sold trainloads of it and still think it's one of the best values in electronics, and my automatic go-to for clients as a starting point), it and other Japanese manufacturers have a certain over processed sound relative to a B&K, Adcom, Cambridge Audio, etc. It was unmistakable to me once I'd made that connection. The point here is that my training, experience, and being immersed in the stuff every day brought me to those conclusions.

Sorry for going so far off topic, for anyone concerned with that!
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Old 12-11-2012, 11:09 AM
 
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Vmaxnc - I have been an A/V hobbyist for almost 40 years. I build my own speakers (sometimes), I built Heathkits, and some electronics from my own etched circuit boards. I read Stereophile when J. Gordon Holt was the publisher.

I have seen/heard Sonny Rollins in a small club and the Rolling Stones in the Astrodome. I saw U2 in a rock club in Houston before they could ever sell 500 tickets to anything.

So I think my ears are pretty good. But I don't think they are "golden ears" ala high end voodoo. I don't mean to be argumentative with you - but I believe much, perhaps most, of the things that people claim to hear cannot be validated. Listen to product A in room B, and a few hours later listen to product C in a different envnronment and I consider any conclusions drawn on A vs. C suspect because too many things have changed.

As for my NAD vs. Audio Research example - I think there might have been a difference. If what I heard was a difference in the "width" of the soundstage then I think it is likely that the NAD and Audio Research preamps had a difference in separation. Sota turntable, Sheffield LP, Martin Logan speakers. If all I heard different was that - then I think the differences were nil and were quantitative, not qualitative.

It is probably good for me to be like this. I'll spend less time obsessing and more time enjoying.

Your experience may be different and that's OK.
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Old 12-11-2012, 08:53 PM
 
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Vmaxnc - I have been an A/V hobbyist for almost 40 years. I build my own speakers (sometimes), I built Heathkits, and some electronics from my own etched circuit boards. I read Stereophile when J. Gordon Holt was the publisher.

I have seen/heard Sonny Rollins in a small club and the Rolling Stones in the Astrodome. I saw U2 in a rock club in Houston before they could ever sell 500 tickets to anything.

So I think my ears are pretty good. But I don't think they are "golden ears" ala high end voodoo. I don't mean to be argumentative with you - but I believe much, perhaps most, of the things that people claim to hear cannot be validated. Listen to product A in room B, and a few hours later listen to product C in a different envnronment and I consider any conclusions drawn on A vs. C suspect because too many things have changed.

As for my NAD vs. Audio Research example - I think there might have been a difference. If what I heard was a difference in the "width" of the soundstage then I think it is likely that the NAD and Audio Research preamps had a difference in separation. Sota turntable, Sheffield LP, Martin Logan speakers. If all I heard different was that - then I think the differences were nil and were quantitative, not qualitative.

It is probably good for me to be like this. I'll spend less time obsessing and more time enjoying.

Your experience may be different and that's OK.
No offense, but lots of people go to concerts and so on. That in no way qualifies them to make reasonable audio comparisons. In fact, some of the techs I've worked with had the worst ears of anyone. Just because a person has driven Porsches doesn't mean they really know how to drive them.

As for the rest, we will just have to agree to disagree.
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