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Old 09-08-2017, 02:51 PM
 
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Not that cheap.

Google Fiber in Atlanta is $50 for 100Mbps or $70 for 1000Mbps or Gigabit.
Phone service is an additional $10.
Basic television is an additional $90 for 220 channels.
Spotify Premium is an additional $15
HBO NOW® is an additional $15

Google tries very hard to be straightforward about pricing, since the industry is generally so deceptive. Cable is full of teaser rates, "below the line surcharges", mandatory equipment rental, and complicated packages that give you discounts over ridiculously high "retail rates". You end up talking to different people, threatening to leave, and other kinds of maneuvers to keep the price low.
$70/month for 1000Mbps download is a good deal. I pay $68/month for 50mbps. You could do Sling TV for $20 - $30/month, and you're coming out at the $100/month deal.
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Old 09-09-2017, 08:27 PM
 
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$70/month for 1000Mbps download is a good deal. I pay $68/month for 50mbps. You could do Sling TV for $20 - $30/month, and you're coming out at the $100/month deal.
My local cable company (RCN) has just introduced gigabit internet for $65 but mandatory rental for modem $15/month for first year. After that you can buy the same modem from Amazon for about $199. Unfortunately they don't have the high upload speeds, but my town is too small for Google to invest in.

Right now they are charging $78 for cable TV and set top boxes for 3 screen, but I had to fight then for weeks not to raise it to $100. That's in addition to $90 for internet and phone.

I did a comparison between RCN ($78) and the minimum package on Direct TV Now ($35). Looking at national HD channels, most of RCN's selection is available on Direct TV Now.

Both RCN & DirecTV Now
1126 A&E
1129 Bravo
1145 TBS
1148 TNT
1151 USA
1154 FX
1157 Spike TV
1169 Syfy Channel
1173 Comedy Central
1177 truTV
1186 BET
1201 HGTV
1205 Food Network
1213 E!
1226 WE
1231 Lifetime
1244 Disney Junior
1251 Hallmark Channel
1253 Freeform
1257 TV Land
1269 Nickelodeon
1279 Cartoon Network
1285 Disney Channel
1301 Discovery Channel
1305 Investigation Discovery
1309 TLC
1313 History Channel
1319 National Geographic
1321 Animal Planet
1351 CNN
1353 HLN
1372 CNBC
1374 MSNBC
1379 Fox News
1380 Fox Business
1446 FXX
1551 MTV
1564 VH1
1575 CMT
1602 AMC
1604 TCM
1607 Hallmark Movies
1427 ESPN
1429 ESPN 2
1473 Fox Sports 1


The national channels that are not on Direct TV Now are mostly sports channels and some movie channels.

RCN National not on Direct TV Now
1128 WGN America
1176 Justice Central
1198 Travel Channel
1216 GSN
1390 Weather Channel
1238 Oxygen
1241 OWN
1303 Velocity sports
1403 Comcast SportsNet sports
1406 BTN sports
1407 BTN (Alt1) sports
1414 Outdoor Channel sports
1421 CBS Sports sports
1431 ESPNEWS sports
1435 ESPN-U sports
1461 Tennis Channel sports
1463 Golf Channel sports
1471 NBCSN sports
1475 Fox Sports 2 sports
1233 Lifetime Movie movie
1606 FXM movie
1613 IFC movie
1615 Sundance TV movie
1636 Reelz movie

Now RCN also gave an additional 50 standard definition channels, 50 music channels, and some local broadcast channels that weren't on Direct TV Now.

I asked the cable guy how they could raise TV prices to $100 with so much streaming competition. I could have sworn he said the industry is dying so we have to gouge the old people.
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Old 09-10-2017, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Sector 001
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None of these services have enough content to make me want to bite the bullet, and I'm not paying more than $20-25/month for live cable channels, streaming or otherwise. Given that a third of the programming is already commercials, I don't get why they think they need to charge people at all. They are in a dying industry, the industry trying to rape people for content. More people are choosing to simply not watch TV anymore, since it really is a big waste of time/life.

Apparently the opportunity cost of not allowing me to watch their channels, including advertising, for free or low cost via a web stream is not high enough compared to the number of people who already pay for bundles to watch. If enough people cut the cord the whole business model will have to change. The big thing driving people away is the ridiculous cost locals try to charge for their channels on local cable systems who don't give the option to simply not take the locals. Content providers are greedy and their greed will come back to bite them in the butts.

The only channels I really care about are Discovery, Animal Planet, National Geo, History, A&E, Investigation Discovery, and a few others. None of these are bundled together in a single package to my satisfaction, so I choose to either watch netflix, pirate, buy the occasional bluray that has 4K and Atmos on the same movie, or do more with my life than watch TV, like be in these forums.

I bet gouging old people makes up half their profit margins after visiting my grandmother and seeing all the scam nonprofit crap she got in the mail, some of which she falls for.
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Old 09-10-2017, 01:16 PM
 
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None of these services have enough content to make me want to bite the bullet, and I'm not paying more than $20-25/month for live cable channels, streaming or otherwise.

The only channels I really care about are Discovery, Animal Planet, National Geo, History, A&E, Investigation Discovery, and a few others. None of these are bundled together in a single package to my satisfaction,
Discovery Networks just bought Scripps Networkso together they own about 20 channels. The rumor is they will start their own streaming package for much less than $20 (possibly as low as $10).
  1. Discovery Channel 1985
  2. TLC 1972
  3. Animal Planet 1996
  4. Investigation Discovery 1996
  5. Oprah Winfrey Network 2011
  6. Velocity 2002
  7. Science 1996
  8. Discovery Family 1996
  9. American Heroes Channel 1998
  10. Destination America 1996
  11. Discovery Life 2011
  12. Discovery en Español 1998
  13. Discovery Familia 2007
  1. Food Network
  2. HGTV
  3. Travel Channel
  4. Cooking Channel
  5. DIY Network
  6. Fine Living
  7. Great American Country

So far we've had a lot of single channels like Hallmark and CBS offer streaming services for $5-$6, now Britbox has all over BBC and ITV for $6.

But it seems like we are going to have a rash of streaming services featuring channels owned by a single media corporation (like Discovery-Scripps).

Disney is launching stand alone ESPN in a few months

Viacom may be the next to offer a single corporation stream package
MTV channels, Nickelodeon Group, BET Networks,The Paramount Network
  1. MTV
  2. MTV2
  3. MTV Classic
  4. MTV Live
  5. MTVU
  6. MTV Tres
  7. Logo TV4
  8. VH1
  9. Nickelodeon
  10. Nick Jr.
  11. Nick2
  12. Nick at Nite
  13. NickMusic
  14. NickSplat
  15. Nicktoons
  16. TeenNick
  17. BET
  18. BET Gospel
  19. BET Hip-Hop
  20. BET International
  21. BET Jams
  22. BET Soul
  23. Centric (soon-to-be BET Her)
  24. Spike (soon–to–be The Paramount Network)
  25. CMT
  26. CMT Music
  27. TV Land
  28. Comedy Central

Video libraries in the $10-$15 range (Netflix, Hulu, Showtime, Starz, HBO) seem to be doing well, so it is possible that corporate owned LiveTV packages in the same price range will do just as well despite the commercials.

The $40 skinny packages which combine several companies are not very well, despite being much cheaper than traditional cable or satellite or fiber systems.

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Old 09-10-2017, 02:04 PM
 
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I guess I have it good. Apartment is wired to the cable monopoly (Comca$t). I can just plug my QAM receiver in and get all the local channels + PEG/public access and doesn't cost me a penny!

Terrestrial reception sucks here and there's nothing else worth watching on scrambled cable TV so it works for me.
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Old 09-10-2017, 03:06 PM
 
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I guess I have it good. Apartment is wired to the cable monopoly (Comca$t). I can just plug my QAM receiver in and get all the local channels + PEG/public access and doesn't cost me a penny!

Terrestrial reception sucks here and there's nothing else worth watching on scrambled cable TV so it works for me.
The FCC changed the rules as of October 2012 to permit the cable companies to scramble local channels. Prior to that date, they were prohibited from doing so.

Most of the cable systems have chosen to scramble all the channels since FCC gave them approval. They are required to send advance notice (I forgot how many weeks, but it was at least 4 weeks).

After the cable company begins to scramble all the signals the QAM receiver built into your TV will be useless. I am surprised that your local system has not done that yet, as I thought Comcast had changed the rule for most of their networks.
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Old 09-10-2017, 07:22 PM
 
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They probably will be soon. The QAM receiver in my DVD recorder (I don't have a digital TV) is already useless practically as far as I am concerned since there's so much garbage on local TV not worth watching as it is. In fact I'm seriously considering just saying screw it and getting rid of it all. I took the discone with me to this place when I moved a few weeks ago but haven't done anything with it yet. Apparently they'll let you put an antenna on the roof of the building or the balcony but I'm debating if it's even worth bothering. This TV set takes up a lot of room that could be better used otherwise. If I want to watch movies I have a PC and a 2K projector for that.

I've talked to people in the city and they have indeed scrambled everything except IIRC the local PEGs and community channels. So being where I am in the county I must be on a different trunk out here that they haven't done it with yet.

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Old 09-10-2017, 07:37 PM
 
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I've talked to people in the city and they have indeed scrambled everything except IIRC the local PEGs and community channels. So being where I am in the county I must be on a different trunk out here that they haven't done it with yet.
They scrambled every single channel where I am located. I thought, darn it, you couldn't leave local traffic or weather so that people could hang a little TV in their bathroom to check traffic on their way to work (without a bulky set top box).

I sas some 32" Roku TVs for sale at Walmart, and that seem a good way to get BBC News, PBS, and other options for free (or Netflix for $12 a month).
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Old 09-10-2017, 07:46 PM
 
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Figures. Remember the good old days when almost everything went out in nice clear NTSC? Until about 15 or so years ago there were I think 5 or 6 scrambled movie channels here but everything else went out in the clear. I had heard about analog cable systems where they scrambled everything but I had never encountered one myself. They must not have had those around this part of the US back then.

"Well, money's money and we'll take it any way we can get it. We may be the only cable company in town, but we screw everybody."
-Ernestine Tomlin, rigged
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Old 09-10-2017, 11:35 PM
 
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HBO was launched on November 8, 1972. The principal was that if you were paying for television, you shouldn't have to watch commercials. At some point the FCC got concerned that cable would put broadcast out of business because people wouldn't hook up a manual switch to go back and forth from cable to antennas (or they wouldn't bother with the antenna). So all local broadcast channels had to supply their signal for free. Showtime launched on July 1, 1976 using the same commercial free format. Cinemax was launched on August 1, 1980.

But WTBS was launched as a superstation on December 17, 1976, so films, old syndicated series, and sports were shown with commercials. WGN was similar to WTBS launched in November 1978 USA Network originally launched on September 22, 1977 as the Madison Square Garden Network (MSGN), offering 7 hours per day of mostly sports. On April 9, 1980, MSGN was relaunched as USA as it was now competing with ESPN launched on September 7, 1979.

Nickelodeon launched on December 1, 1977 and CNN launched on June 1, 1980 with commercials extending cable into children's shows and news.

Commercial free basic cable wasn't completely dead as MTV launched on August 1, 1981 where the revenue came from recording companies. "American Movie Classics" (AMC) launched on October 1, 1984 focusing on classic films.

ABC purchased ESPN in 1984 and secured rights to eight Sunday Night NFL Football games in 1987.

If cable TV had stuck with only commercial television it wouldn't have grown into the monstrosity that it would become. The number of channels would have remained manageable. But the double revenue of commercials and cable fees was very attractive and the channels began multiplying.

Quickly broadcast became less concerned about being shut out as they grew jealous of the double stream of revenue. The FCC complied in 1992 and gave broadcast channels the right to choose between "must carry" which meant that they had to give their signal for free, and "consent required" before the cable companies could rebroadcast the signal. At first, the cable companies refused to pay cash to secure consent so the companies would secure a deal. The very first major deal was the cable companies could receive consent to rebroadcast ABC if they would also carry the new ESPN2 channel.
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