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View Poll Results: For Terrestrial/Rooftop TV Antenna Users: Which form of interference could you tolerate most?
1. Pixellation and frequent dropouts 1 10.00%
2. Moderate 'snow', but can still see picture and hear the sound ok 9 90.00%
Voters: 10. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 09-24-2019, 10:52 AM
 
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This isn't something I would not mind because I already have my entire
collection ripped to MP3. It could all be at finger tips after inserting a single
SD card. I bought a lower mileage 2006 Buick Lacrosse not too long
ago. I'm actually going to remove the CD player and replace it with something
MP3 compatible.
Like I said, tech-wise I am far conservative and resistant to it than folks decades older than myself. Politically? Don't even go there! lol ✌️☮️✌️

I have an iPod and phone stocked with days, let alone hours, of music. But nothing quite matches the sound of a CD along for the ride.
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Old 09-24-2019, 12:41 PM
 
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Then you - and thecoalman - missed the point of both this post and the poll.


Television is an audio-visual experience. When the digital picture pixelates, and then blacks out, you lose sound also.

With analog, on a relatively distant channel, you might see increasing snowiness, but the audio remains mostly clear, even with an occasional flicker. One sense can help mask deficiencies in another, or deficiencies in that sensory input(aforementioned snowy TV pic). Your ears help make up for any snowiness in the picture, so subconsciously it doesn't bother you as much.

With digital, both senses - visual and auditory - are deprived during a dropout, which I, among others I'm sure, find annoying.

You can hopefully guess where I'm going with the whole digital transition as it happened in the first place.
The only thing I know is that I have not seen an analog broadcast in at least 10 years. It's a dumb question and completely irrelevant. There is NO snow, at least not any more.

Can you receive analog TV broadcasts? I'm curious.
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Old 09-24-2019, 01:38 PM
 
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I love the high definition pictures we get with the present system. I have no choice about how the broadcast signal is encoded for delivery over the air. For television I absolutely embrace the new technology.

I agree with you on cars. I do not run my life through my smart phone, I have a land line, and still write a few checks. I still run a couple computers with winXP and one with Win98. I don't think I'd be accepted by the millennials.
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Old 09-24-2019, 01:44 PM
 
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First, it's called "broadcast TV", not "terrestrial antenna TV".

Second, it's not "pixelation", it's "macroblocking".

Digital television does not have "snow" in low-reception areas. That's an analogue TV thing, and is rapidly becoming a thing of the past. It's either there and decodable or it isn't.

Finally, not being "accepted" by the millennials isn't necessarily a bad thing. Many minds outside of the hive. Do not be afraid to stand alone.
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Old 09-24-2019, 01:54 PM
 
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First, it's called "broadcast TV", not "terrestrial antenna TV".

Second, it's not "pixelation", it's "macroblocking".

Digital television does not have "snow" in low-reception areas.
That's an analogue TV thing, and is rapidly becoming a thing
of the past. It's either there and decodable or it isn't.

1. broadcast vs terrestrial: Irrelevant, nit picking

2. pixelation or macroblocking: See #1.

3. Analog thing of the past: Again, you and gguerra refuse, either intentionally or due to insufficient RAM, to get the point of this thread and its poll.

I've already explained it, several posts back, and I'm wasting no more keystrokes restating things. From now on, expect no response from me to comments from either one of you.
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Old 09-24-2019, 02:53 PM
 
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1. broadcast vs terrestrial: Irrelevant, nit picking

2. pixelation or macroblocking: See #1.

3. Analog thing of the past: Again, you and gguerra refuse, either intentionally or due to insufficient RAM, to get the point of this thread and its poll.

I've already explained it, several posts back, and I'm wasting no more keystrokes restating things. From now on, expect no response from me to comments from either one of you.
Lol

This was your question/poll.

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In terms of interference, would you prefer pixellation and frequent dropouts on distant channels, or, moderate amounts of 'snow'?
The point? It's a pretty simple question but any answer to this would not matter and it's not due to insufficient RAM, all I have to do is scroll and look at your original question. If you ask a stupid question, you may not like the answer, I don't need a response or you wasting any keystrokes. You were doing that from the onset.

The answer to your question is that there is NO point to it, if you don't like the response, too bad.
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Old 09-24-2019, 05:32 PM
 
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Second, it's not "pixelation", it's "macroblocking".

Both terms are used for artifacts where they are actually part of the stream. If there is not enough bitrate allocated you get macroblocking. In a sense it's missing data but it was replaced with the next best thing, the video and audio stream is complete. This would actually be similar compariosn to "snow" in that you have complete audio and the video is still watchable to some degree. This however is not a reception issue but a source issue.

The lights are moving fast and there is not enough bitrate to reproduce their movement. The people are moving slow so you don't see it there.


Hey peregrine, here comes those pictures again, LOL








As far as the OTA digital broadcast these have tremendous amount of bitrate available and this should never occur. It's should be near if not the highest quality HD you can get, one thing to note is some of the secondary channels are broadcast in SD. You may see similar issues on cable or video streaming services because they do not utilize anywhere near the bitrate on OTA. In particular with rapidly changing content like flashing lights for example.



What he is referring to (I think) is complete loss of the video/audio stream, I don't know if the same term is used. They are similar issues but not quite the same.

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Old 09-24-2019, 05:46 PM
 
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and it's not due to insufficient RAM,

Now you have to admit that was a pretty good zinger. LOL
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Old 09-24-2019, 11:17 PM
 
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So you're my age?!?! And embarrassing me.
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Old 09-25-2019, 04:12 AM
 
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So you're my age?!?! And embarrassing me.

That makes three of us, Combat anyone? LOL
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