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Old 07-08-2013, 02:31 PM
bUU
 
Location: Florida
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It's remarkable how the right-wing must stretch (or break) the truth to try to rationalize their vacuous advocacy.
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Old 07-10-2013, 08:37 AM
 
Location: Richmond,VA
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It's remarkable how the right-wing must stretch (or break) the truth to try to rationalize their vacuous advocacy.
Right, and Dear One didn't stretch the truth when he sold this POS healthcare bill to us.
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Old 07-10-2013, 08:51 AM
 
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It's remarkable how the right-wing must stretch (or break) the truth to try to rationalize their vacuous advocacy.
Funny how you see this behavior so clearly from those on the right and ignore it in those on the left. BOTH sides are guilty of this behavior and to say otherwise is just a nasty case of partisanship.
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Old 07-10-2013, 09:38 AM
 
Location: Upstate NY 🇺🇸
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I love how the anti-Obamacare people are only good for snarky remarks and never offer anything constructive in the debate. I'm as fiscally conservative as it gets but I recognize that affordable healthcare is critically important to the economy and something has to change. Rates can't keep going up like this & most of the problem is we are all paying for people who skip on their bill. We desperately need a way to get people covered and also to cut out waste & fraud in the healthcare sector

Surely you jest. Did you miss the entire 2012 election in which Obama was the one who marinated in ambiguity ("We're going to make 'adjustments' to Medicare/SS" [interestingly, Medicaid was off the table. Again. Probably because the idea under Obamacare is to get everyone ON it]). Ambiguity, BTW, which went unchallenged by the media as he is, after all, their guy.

It was the Republican ticket that expounded on proposed changes, and specifically stated that those born before a certain date would not be affected. The voters spoke, however, so now everyone is going to be affected--except those prescient enough to have made provisions decades ago (as DH and I did).

Elections do, indeed, have consequences. Enjoy Obamacare.
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Old 07-10-2013, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Keosauqua, Iowa
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Did Iowa post their rates? Please show the link. I would like to see the prices for the Platinum, Gold, Silver and Bronze premiums.
I used a table from the Obamacare fact page, which I assume reflects the federal maximums. I'm sure Iowa will be close to the maximum, given that we're the home of fried butter on a stick. The fact that I personally have been to the doctor just once in the last 10 years won't matter. I used the silver plan since at a glance it seems the most similar to what I have now.
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Old 07-10-2013, 10:20 AM
 
Location: Kansas
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Well, they are looking at the fairness of Obama delaying the employer portion and sticking it to the individuals: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/07/10/us...w.html?hp&_r=0 and rightfully so. ObamaCare is a joke. I could support socialized medicine where everyone has access to the care they NEED based on a sliding scale but not what they are proposing. My husband worked at a company a couple of years ago and the take home pay was $350.00 a week and the health insurance was $200.00 and luckily we did not have to buy that - this was in a manufacturing plant in KS. A new plant opened in our current city and they pay $8.00 an hour. There is no money for insurance not even subsidized with all the prices skyrocketing since Obama started this crap. I don't see why he isn't on trial for treason.
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Old 07-10-2013, 11:12 AM
 
Location: New York City
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I don't see why he isn't on trial for treason.
yeah, that's the ticket
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Old 07-10-2013, 02:08 PM
 
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I don't think the general public understands what it costs small business owners to pay for healthcare for their employees. My husband is a small business owner and does not provide healthcare coverage to his employees because it would literally put him out of business to do so.

I wish people would stop blaming the small business owners for this problem. It's not like most employers are heartless people wanting to deny coverage to their employees just to line their own pockets.
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The software firm my husband works for has 20 employees. I think that is considered a small business. Health coverage? Yes, and raises, paid sick days, paid 3 weeks vacation, matched 401K.

I suppose it helps when your customers pay big bucks for your product? I would be willing to guess their payroll alone is more than the profits the "small business" owners you talk about are making.
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Old 07-12-2013, 12:32 PM
 
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I've seen health benefits get much worse since Obamacare.

I've noticed over the past few years more and more doctors are no longer accepting any insurance at all. But with a weakened economy, I'm not sure how feasible this is over the long term. Fewer patients with higher fees might work for a few exceptional boutique physicians but not for the average MD, and certainly not where surgery is part of the practice.
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Old 07-12-2013, 01:09 PM
 
Location: New York City
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I've seen health benefits get much worse since Obamacare.
I've also seen more potholes since then too. I just knew that damn guy was gonna be nothing but bad news for us patriotic car-using Americans
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