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You obviously missed my point, on purpose of course.
Situation avoidance is avoiding a situation which would greatly increase the chance of having to defend yourself. Not all situations can or should be avoided, many others are.
Your scenario describes "defense of others"; self defense and defense of others are two separate things.
The neighborhood that Zimmerman lived in was having a continual issue with crime including break-ins. A good neighbor would watch out for his neighbors and essentially do what Zimmerman did. He was watching out for suspicious behavior, he witnessed what he thought was suspicious behavior, he called the police and tried to keep an eye on Martin until police arrived.
A 911 operator suggested he not follow TM. A 911 operator is not the police and Zimmerman was not given an order. Just thought you would like the facts.
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There was no claim or evidence anyone chased anyone. Martin the jury found assaulted Zimmerman and witnesses and evidence showed just that. martin was the assaulter.
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The neighborhood that Zimmerman lived in was having a continual issue with crime including break-ins. A good neighbor would watch out for his neighbors and essentially do what Zimmerman did. He was watching out for suspicious behavior, he witnessed what he thought was suspicious behavior, he called the police and tried to keep an eye on Martin until police arrived.
Shhhh. You're not supposed to use facts when discussing the Zimmerman case.
"Self defense" is an action you take when somebody breaks your nose and jumps on top of you going "MMA ground and pound" after you follow them while waiting for police to arrive.
... and that action in itself is self defense if someone got out of their car and started chasing you down while carrying a gun that they were willing to use, while you were walking home, minding your own business.
... and that action in itself is self defense if someone got out of their car and started chasing you down while carrying a gun that they were willing to use.
How do you know Zimmerman chased him? If Martin knew Zimmerman had a gun, why didn't he say anything about it to his girlfriend? If Zimmerman was waiting to use that gun, why did he wait until Martin was on top of him beating his head into the concrete?
... and that action in itself is self defense if someone got out of their car and started chasing you down while carrying a gun that they were willing to use, while you were walking home, minding your own business.
You seem to assume a lot of things . Were you there ? Where did this " chased down " thing come from ?
... and that action in itself is self defense if someone got out of their car and started chasing you down while carrying a gun that they were willing to use, while you were walking home, minding your own business.
Excellent post. It seems a lot of people cannot grasp this. He was lucky there were no witnesses, that there was not enough evidence to prove him guilty. He strapped on his gun and went after Trayvon and Trayvon ended up dead- he should definitely be in prison for that, but since there were no real witnesses, not enough solid evidence, the court had to let him off. He is a lucky man.
Excellent post. It seems a lot of people cannot grasp this. He was lucky there were no witnesses, that there was not enough evidence to prove him guilty. He strapped on his gun and went after Trayvon and Trayvon ended up dead- he should definitely be in prison for that, but since there were no real witnesses, not enough solid evidence, the court had to let him off. He is a lucky man.
It's a really simple concept that a disturbing number of people seem to be unable to grasp.
The courts in Florida have validated that you can start a fight and end it with a gunshot as soon as it starts to go south. It doesn't matter whether or not the person was in the process of committing a crime or even armed; as long as you felt that there was a reason to create a confrontation, did, and then felt scared, you can go ahead and plug someone.
I am a firearm owner and I generally do support the right to bear arms for self-defense. There are citizens out there who have used their guns to defend themselves and others.
It's a really simple concept that a disturbing number of people seem to be unable to grasp.
The courts in Florida have validated that you can start a fight and end it with a gunshot as soon as it starts to go south. It doesn't matter whether or not the person was in the process of committing a crime or even armed; as long as you felt that there was a reason to create a confrontation, did, and then felt scared, you can go ahead and plug someone.
I am a firearm owner and I generally do support the right to bear arms for self-defense. There are citizens out there who have used their guns to defend themselves and others.
George Zimmerman is not one of these citizens.
When the dispatcher told Zimmerman "he didn't need to do that", he responded with "OK". He only got out of his car to find his location. Not to hunt anyone down. As he was walking back to his car, he was attacked.
Just follow the trail and you can follow what happened. simple concept.
assuming stuff is not evidence.
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Shhhh. You're not supposed to use facts when discussing the Zimmerman case.
