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Old 08-11-2013, 08:42 AM
 
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Terrible.
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Old 08-13-2013, 02:30 PM
 
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Operation get Bambi!
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Old 08-20-2013, 03:00 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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Makes zero sense to kill the deer; what did the deer do wrong, exist?
Deer carry all kinds of diseases, even the babies. They can also carry ticks; the deer tick is the main transmitter of Lyme disease.

Really a lot of how a city chooses to handle the wild animals that may enter it depends on many factors; a fawn won't be accepted by a strange doe in a zoo- the doe will kill it. A cow may mother one, but only if it's wearing the skin of the dead calf she just lost. If one extra day passes before that fawn is put on a cow, even wearing the calf's skin won't work.

Fawns are shocky. Stress them enough and they will die, just from stress alone. It's nature's way of allowing a kindness at the end because they are prey animals, and most don't live long in the wild. The odds that the fawn would die anyway are about as even as it's odds of survival.

If a city is not prepared for dealing with wildlife, what are they supposed to do? Drop it off out in the country so it will starve or die by dog? Try to keep it alive while someone tries to find a place that will accept it? Removed from it's natural environment makes any deer a real problem. A wild animal is wild, period. A grown deer can be as dangerous as any other critter, even if it's been bottle fed and hand raised. It's still wild, and will do what wild creatures do.


While it would have been much better to put the fawn down with a vet doing the job, the cops did not shoot it for cheap giggles. They were following their orders and doing their job. It was not their job to decide alternatives. Don't get after them- get after the people who sent them. Save your outrage for those who could have planned for this event.
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Old 08-20-2013, 08:06 AM
 
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Deer carry all kinds of diseases, even the babies. They can also carry ticks; the deer tick is the main transmitter of Lyme disease.

Really a lot of how a city chooses to handle the wild animals that may enter it depends on many factors; a fawn won't be accepted by a strange doe in a zoo- the doe will kill it. A cow may mother one, but only if it's wearing the skin of the dead calf she just lost. If one extra day passes before that fawn is put on a cow, even wearing the calf's skin won't work.

Fawns are shocky. Stress them enough and they will die, just from stress alone. It's nature's way of allowing a kindness at the end because they are prey animals, and most don't live long in the wild. The odds that the fawn would die anyway are about as even as it's odds of survival.

If a city is not prepared for dealing with wildlife, what are they supposed to do? Drop it off out in the country so it will starve or die by dog? Try to keep it alive while someone tries to find a place that will accept it? Removed from it's natural environment makes any deer a real problem. A wild animal is wild, period. A grown deer can be as dangerous as any other critter, even if it's been bottle fed and hand raised. It's still wild, and will do what wild creatures do.


While it would have been much better to put the fawn down with a vet doing the job, the cops did not shoot it for cheap giggles. They were following their orders and doing their job. It was not their job to decide alternatives. Don't get after them- get after the people who sent them. Save your outrage for those who could have planned for this event.
They already had a place for it to go, a wildlife sanctuary which had already accepted it. It was supposed to be transferred the day after they killed it, the officers did know this.
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Old 08-20-2013, 09:10 AM
 
Location: South Florida
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They already had a place for it to go, a wildlife sanctuary which had already accepted it. It was supposed to be transferred the day after they killed it, the officers did know this.
Disgusting.
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Old 08-20-2013, 10:22 AM
 
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"They were following their orders and doing their job."

I thought that excuse ended with the Nuremberg Trials.

The rest of the post is just dribble; there are numerous animal welfare organizations that could assist, as this one was going to be as another poster pointed out.

Also, the fact that the gov decided to destroy someone's property without due process is disgusting in itself. No trial or anything, just show up, seize, and destroy property.
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Old 08-21-2013, 09:14 AM
 
Location: Old Mother Idaho
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"They were following their orders and doing their job."

I thought that excuse ended with the Nuremberg Trials.

The rest of the post is just dribble; there are numerous animal welfare organizations that could assist, as this one was going to be as another poster pointed out.

Also, the fact that the gov decided to destroy someone's property without due process is disgusting in itself. No trial or anything, just show up, seize, and destroy property.
A wild deer is someone's property? I don't think so.

If there was a wildlife recovery that was willing to take the fawn, the cops should not have killed it, at least until the matter was firmly settled in court.

I wasn't defending their actions, because i know cops do get trigger happy when it comes to animals. They are also very callous sometimes when they shoot them in front of the families who own or have taken them in.
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Old 08-21-2013, 09:52 AM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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This is unbelievable.

The Wisconsin DNR sent THIRTEEN armed agents into an animal shelter's property to kill a fawn. They endangered the public and killed a innocent baby animal, all because the shelter did not have a simple permit for a fawn that was leaving the next day! Not only should these overpaid government bureaucrats all be ashamed of themselves, someone in charge needs to be seriously disciplined.

Armed agents raid animal shelter for baby deer | News - WISN Home
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Old 08-21-2013, 10:02 AM
 
Location: On the Great South Bay
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This is from Fox News about the incident.

Agents Raid Animal Shelter, Kill Deer Named


Some highlights of "effective" government bureaucrats in action using our tax dollars to kill a baby animal:

According to a state affidavit, the DNR had been conducting aerial and ground surveillance in advance of the raid searching for an “illegally-held live captive Whitetail deer.”

“We didn’t know they were doing surveillance,” she said. “Five days before the raid, a DNR agent was hiding in the woods by our shelter watching the deer walk in and out of the barn.”

Schultz said agents rounded up the shelter’s nine staff members and detained them for nearly three hours as they searched for Giggles. (14 agents searching for 3 hours!)

A 19-year-old staff member took photographs of the raid, but Schultz said a deputy sheriff confiscated his cell phone and deleted all the pictures.
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Old 08-21-2013, 10:15 AM
 
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This is from Fox News about the incident.

Agents Raid Animal Shelter, Kill Deer Named


Some highlights of "effective" government bureaucrats in action using our tax dollars to kill a baby animal:

According to a state affidavit, the DNR had been conducting aerial and ground surveillance in advance of the raid searching for an “illegally-held live captive Whitetail deer.”

“We didn’t know they were doing surveillance,” she said. “Five days before the raid, a DNR agent was hiding in the woods by our shelter watching the deer walk in and out of the barn.”

Schultz said agents rounded up the shelter’s nine staff members and detained them for nearly three hours as they searched for Giggles. (14 agents searching for 3 hours!)

A 19-year-old staff member took photographs of the raid, but Schultz said a deputy sheriff confiscated his cell phone and deleted all the pictures.
So this little operation, between air survelliance and everything else, most likely cost Wisconsin taxpayers about $100,000 or so, but they saved a city from a deadly baby deer!
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