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This is very poor journalism. How many people here actually went through the entire story, which was written with a clear disdain for paragraphs? In several pages they had only one indirect reference to the actual events that transpired, in stating that wasn't the kind of "violent rape" that people imagine. In that one moment of actual reporting they blew a hole through the story. The story has been thoroughly and intentionally sensationalized in an attempt to draw up more readers. Clearly, that worked.
As far as the actual facts in the story, the girl was 14. We agree on that. There is a law regarding sex with minors that classifies it as statutory rape by making the minors incapable of giving consent. Hopefully everyone knows enough about the law to agree with that.
To some, but not all people, the very argument of "statutory" rape is absurd. To many people, including some victim rights advocates, the label rape being applied is a slap in the face to victims who were brutally raped. Some people want to lump these crimes together, but they are not the same.
His crime was sex with a minor. He did not force anyone (to our knowledge thus far) to have sex against their desire. It was only "without consent" by the barest legal technicality of disregarding her actual consent and claiming she didn't have the authority to consent. I've seen too many people state that this was "non-consensual" and it's really misapplying the term. There is no consent when the victim is passed out. If she was drugged, assaulted, or threatened, it was not mentioned in the news article. If that is the case, then by all means continue claiming rape. Judging by the failure of journalism thus far, it is certainly possible that they omitted those relevant facts. If there was no use of force, then call it what it is. He had sex with a minor, and it was wrong. The massive fall out of this event may have done much more to damage her mental health than the unfortunate decision to engage in sex with her teacher.
Who said it was violent? I presume most people realize this was statutory rape based on her age.
Either way an adult should not be having sex with a child. Her own mother states that she noticed bad changes in her daughter during this time so obviously it had a very negative impact on her. This young girl also notified her counselor of the relationship because obviously she didn't feel right about it either. Maybe she felt pressured by him to engage in the relationship. Grown women feel guilty sometimes after having sex, imagine the impact it has on the mind of someone her age.
This teacher was also accused of touching another student as well. So obviously he cannot be trusted around students. Who knows how many other young girls he has touched or sexed.
A court affidavit first reported by KTVQ in 2008, stated: 'In 2004 Senior High principal Scott Anderson met with Rambold to discuss allegations that he touched a girl's thigh and waist and was told to keep, 'his hands off all students.
Professional boundaries are a bunch of nonsense designed to attempt to further control the workers and turn them into sheep.
I'm not saying you should have a relationship like that with a student, but you could certainly be friends and yet, the professional boundaries manifesto claims you can't.
Do we know if the acts were committed during school hours? If not, she was not in his care.
Just because you teach someone during the day does not mean they are your student forever and 24/7.
It does not matter, he was in a position of AUTHORITY over her. Whether on or off the clock he was her teacher. Parents entrust teachers to educate their kids, not sex them. I don't want to worry about my daughter staying after school for tutoring with a teacher and have to worry about if he's actually having sex with her instead. He touched other students as well so obviously he has some type of pedophiliac attraction to young girls.
Right because every person's physiology develops on the EXACT same schedule, right?
A person's brain could just develop faster than normal and be able to make sound, adult decisions at 14.
And if you wanted the standard to be when the frontal lobe is done maturing, the age of consent could never be 18 either. It'd have to be much older.
Also, I never made decisions off emotion, so that proves it's possible either for the frontal lobe to develop much earlier or to make good, sound decisions without the help of the frontal lobe.
We don't actually know that it's wrong for a "minor" to have sex in the first place either. That's only a moral argument, some of which argue has no place in legal circles. At which point, you have nothing left as to prove why a "minor" shouldn't have relations.
The typical brain is not fully developed until age 25. The frontal lobe I believe is the last thing to finish developing. So no, I think it is perfectly reasonable to state that a child OVER A DECADE younger than that will NOT in any instance have a fully developed frontal lobe. That is FAR outside the range of not just typical development but also out of the range of possibility. There is a reason that we cannot drink alcohol until we are 21... because we have noticed this gradual increase in maturity and ability to make sound decisions. Since alcohol impairs this ability, it's illegal until our decision making ability is (in most people) not already neurologically impaired by having an under developed frontal lobe.
As far as you not having, aparently EVER, made decisions based on emotions, this says more about your irregular neurology than lends to any sort of generalization or application to any other human being. If you have never ever in your life made a decision based in some large way on emotion, that is abnormal, and to me makes me wonder what spectrum you fall on.
Look, all you are doing is making yourself look REALLY sketchy. You can try and argue and disagree with sound scientific principles and argue that CHILDREN are perfectly capable of making their own decisions and in NO WAY could their decisions possibly be influenced by pressure that was not intentionally exerted. Seriously, I guess that by your logic, victims of incest ACTUALLY wanted it to happen, too. Just stop. You aren't going to convince anyone different and if your opinion isn't going to change, then for your own good at least keep your mouth shut cause you're really making yourself look like someone who would take advantage of children.
So the age of consent does not even align with psychological maturity now, so why not end this nonsense and just remove the laws altogether?
Why, so pervs can enjoy open season on 12-year-olds? The age of consent has NEVER aligned with psychological maturity. The age of consent has been tending upwards globally for decades, as educational opportunities for girls increase. In some countries it's 18. In some parts of the world it used to align with first menses. But it's not at all practical to do that, when first menses now can come anytime between 9 and 14.
Who said it was violent? I presume most people realize this was statutory rape based on her age.
Either way an adult should not be having sex with a child. Her own mother states that she noticed bad changes in her daughter during this time so obviously it had a very negative impact on her. This young girl also notified her counselor of the relationship because obviously she didn't feel right about it either. Maybe she felt pressured by him to engage in the relationship. Grown women feel guilty sometimes after having sex, imagine the impact it has on the mind of someone her age.
This teacher was also accused of touching another student as well. So obviously he cannot be trusted around students. Who knows how many other young girls he has touched or sexed.
A court affidavit first reported by KTVQ in 2008, stated: 'In 2004 Senior High principal Scott Anderson met with Rambold to discuss allegations that he touched a girl's thigh and waist and was told to keep, 'his hands off all students.
That's a logical fallacy. You can't just say, "Oh, he did it once. He must have done it lots of other times too." That's just pure speculating and bad scientific practice.
The typical brain is not fully developed until age 25. The frontal lobe I believe is the last thing to finish developing. So no, I think it is perfectly reasonable to state that a child OVER A DECADE younger than that will NOT in any instance have a fully developed frontal lobe. That is FAR outside the range of not just typical development but also out of the range of possibility. There is a reason that we cannot drink alcohol until we are 21... because we have noticed this gradual increase in maturity and ability to make sound decisions. Since alcohol impairs this ability, it's illegal until our decision making ability is (in most people) not already neurologically impaired by having an under developed frontal lobe.
As far as you not having, aparently EVER, made decisions based on emotions, this says more about your irregular neurology than lends to any sort of generalization or application to any other human being. If you have never ever in your life made a decision based in some large way on emotion, that is abnormal, and to me makes me wonder what spectrum you fall on.
Look, all you are doing is making yourself look REALLY sketchy. You can try and argue and disagree with sound scientific principles and argue that CHILDREN are perfectly capable of making their own decisions and in NO WAY could their decisions possibly be influenced by pressure that was not intentionally exerted. Seriously, I guess that by your logic, victims of incest ACTUALLY wanted it to happen, too. Just stop. You aren't going to convince anyone different and if your opinion isn't going to change, then for your own good at least keep your mouth shut cause you're really making yourself look like someone who would take advantage of children.
~Katy
OK, so why is the age of consent 18 and not 25?
You're the one taking advantage of children when you try and control their decision making just because "you know better."
That's wonderful that the frontal lobe isn't fully developed. Maybe the child and parents don't care. Why can the state just bulldoze into someone's life and force them to do something that doesn't harm anyone else?
"Former Billings Senior High School teacher Stacey Dean Rambold, 54, will be back in court Friday after state District Judge G. Todd Baugh said Tuesday that he'd misread state law and that he now believed Rambold should have faced, at minimum, two years in prison."
People who keep talking about age of consent are mistakenly thinking a 16 year old can consent to sex with a much older man. Most age of consent laws have limits about how much older the man can be that the girl consents to have sex with, for instance in many states the man cannot be more than 5 years older than the teen if she is 16.
Intriguing that there will be a resentencing, but it may have to be reviewed by the supreme court in Miontana.
And that a TWO YEAR sentence is the MINIMUM...not 30 days!
The judge, describes himself as a "Blithering Idiot". Agreed. He messed up big time, and is trying to back step...But unless people had protested, this action would have gone under the radar.
That is what living in the United States is all about, the ability to protest actions of government officials.
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Flamingo,are you interested in having relations with kids under 18 any time soon?
Are you secretly attracted to girls under 18?
I don't see how anybody sane could rationalize this.
It is disheartening to think there is a debate over the age of consent going on ITT.
If your argument at any time aligns with "If there's grass on the field - play ball" then you should do a lot of soul searching or turn yourself into the nearest authorities immediately for reprogramming.
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