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Old 09-22-2013, 01:58 PM
 
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Intent.

The LV school teacher didn't intend to leave his kid locked in the car, he just royally screwed up. The Scottsdale guy intended to.
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Both stories are very sad. It appears from the link you posted that the father accidentally left the child in the car as opposed to this case where the father intentionally left the baby in the car. I'm not sure what SES discrimination is?
Involuntary manslaughter is still unlawful. In both cases, it was neglect.
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Old 09-22-2013, 02:01 PM
 
Location: SW Missouri
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Well obviously people are going to continue having children they can't afford. They've been doing it since the dawn of civilization.

Good luck changing human nature. Might be kind of difficult.
It is not an issue of human nature. We are not animals who go in to estrus and have no control over our base emotions and behavior. It is an issue of values and integrity. Choosing to have a child or not based upon the type of life they will have.

It is painfully obvious that people like Brokale and anyone else who have children they cannot care for properly, are incapable of having any decent values or integrity. Case closed. It's not a money issue either. If you BOTHER marrying your baby mama, and living a good, decent life, there are usually responsible adults around to care for your children when you cannot. Most likely all of Brokale's family members are doing hard time in the slammer or under the influence of drugs.

Makes me sick.

20yrsinBranson
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Old 09-22-2013, 02:22 PM
 
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It is not an issue of human nature. We are not animals who go in to estrus and have no control over our base emotions and behavior. It is an issue of values and integrity. Choosing to have a child or not based upon the type of life they will have.

It is painfully obvious that people like Brokale and anyone else who have children they cannot care for properly, are incapable of having any decent values or integrity. Case closed. It's not a money issue either. If you BOTHER marrying your baby mama, and living a good, decent life, there are usually responsible adults around to care for your children when you cannot. Most likely all of Brokale's family members are doing hard time in the slammer or under the influence of drugs.

Makes me sick.

20yrsinBranson
Great sermon Reverend Falwell.

However, the fact remains that people will continue having sex and sex can lead to children. Good luck changing human nature. Might be kind of difficult.
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Old 09-22-2013, 02:32 PM
 
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Illegal.
...not necessarily unethical. There is a difference.
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Old 09-22-2013, 02:59 PM
 
Location: Vallejo
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Involuntary manslaughter is still unlawful. In both cases, it was neglect.
True, but a prosecutor's job is also not to waste resources on things he can't get a plea deal/conviction in. And that does, at least partially, play into SES. The Scottsdale guy will cop a plea since he can't afford to get out on bail. The LV teacher won't because he can make bail. Jury is going to be more sympathetic to the latter, which is also leverage on a plea deal which is how 90% of criminal charges must be resolved since the courts are not funded. You also have to look at ongoing danger. Is the person going to do it again where the child is going to be endangered if you don't do anything? Perversely, if the child is already dead there's in a way less reason to charge them with child neglect/involuntary manslaughter.

SES does play a role, but it's not as simple as poor people get charges, middle-class people don't.
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Old 09-22-2013, 03:57 PM
 
Location: FLG/PHX/MKE
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Well obviously people are going to continue having children they can't afford. They've been doing it since the dawn of civilization.

Good luck changing human nature. Might be kind of difficult.
Yeah, people have been raping and murdering since the dawn of civilization too.

Your deflections aside, who exactly do you think is responsible, and why?
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Old 09-22-2013, 04:27 PM
 
Location: Arizona
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Since no one else mentioned it. He had money for tats but not for daycare.
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Old 09-22-2013, 04:28 PM
 
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Yeah, people have been raping and murdering since the dawn of civilization too.
So you're saying the state should punish couples who conceive if they fall below a certain level of income?

Seems like something could go wrong with that.
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Old 09-22-2013, 04:31 PM
 
Location: Metro Detroit, Michigan
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Since no one else mentioned it. He had money for tats but not for daycare.
Seems he also had a few McDollars burning a hole in his pocket as well.

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So you're saying the state should punish couples who conceive if they fall below a certain level of income?

Seems like something could go wrong with that.
Right now, the state rewards people for reproducing that which they cannot afford.

Yup, seems like something could go wrong with that as well. Oh yea, they are reproducing at the fastest rate of all! Expect plenty more stories like this to follow America.
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Old 09-22-2013, 04:35 PM
 
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So let's get back on track in context to the OP's (313Weather) concerns and the subforum. 313Weather's point has been that this is the employer's fault for making the father work. I would like to learn more about 313Weather's thought process and see whether other people agree or disagree.
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