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Clearly there are risks. I've never said otherwise. The risk level is relatively minor though and does not justify taking the child out of it's natural home. The poor have to cut corners just to survive and should be left alone.
I believe in freedom and can accept the grim consequences of that freedom. You, obviously, do not.
What constitutes abuse is largely subjective and I think you'd have a hard time proving that leaving a child alone for 8 hours actually does any emotional damage to a child. Outside of gross physical abuse I think the state should stay out.
Like I said, some believe in freedom and some don't. Good luck with your utopia.
Well, hughbay, both of those things constitute neglect.
So he's screwed either way. If he doesn't work the child starves. If he does work he has to leave the child alone. I don't know about you, but letting my child starve is not an option.
So to get back on topic... how are you guys suggesting that this guy was in the right and it's the employer's fault? This guy's employer cannot be held responsible for his poor decisions.
So he's screwed either way. If he doesn't work the child starves. If he does work he has to leave the child alone. I don't know about you, but letting my child starve is not an option.
But somehow getting your child into a situation where he has to stay alone for 8 hours or starve is an option. That's just sad parenting (refer to post #2).
But somehow getting your child into a situation where he has to stay alone for 8 hours or starve is an option. That's just sad parenting (refer to post #2).
And again, good luck preaching against human nature. Nothing could be more irrelevant in these kinds of discussions than pretending as if we can just moralize our way out of these problems. Well nothing would be wrong with the world if people just stopped doing bad things...of course!
Someone should gather the statistics on how many children have died while left in cars in the Memphis area. Buncha idiots. No brainer people. Nothing survives being left in a hot car. It doesn't take long.
Someone should gather the statistics on how many children have died while left in cars in the Memphis area. Buncha idiots. No brainer people. Nothing survives being left in a hot car. It doesn't take long.
What constitutes abuse is largely subjective and I think you'd have a hard time proving that leaving a child alone for 8 hours actually does any emotional damage to a child. Outside of gross physical abuse I think the state should stay out.
Like I said, some believe in freedom and some don't. Good luck with your utopia.
You seem to be the only one here defending child abuse. Good luck with that.
There has been no documented point in our history when infants were left to fend for themselves 8 hours a day. That sort of behavior was never seen as acceptable. Nobody leaves their children unattended at night either, as you claimed. While the parents may be ASLEEP, they can be quickly summoned by the cries of their infant child.
And you seem to be returning to "human nature" as some sort of catch all defense. Somehow equating human beings to rabbits who reproduce uncontrollably, and perhaps birds who leave their hatchlings unattended for a short time to secure food. I assure you, common human behavior resembles none of these traits. We have the advantage of a highly developed brain that allows us to use sound logic, reason and judgement. Everyone understands where babies come from, and most understand the level of care and responsibility required. Even most animals treat their children better than some of the behaviors people are defending in this thread.
This thread has successfully achieved one success... My faith in the human race continues to plummet with each passing page. Congrats.
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Are you suggesting that the employer is an idiot?
Nobody is pushing this idea except for the disenfranchised whiners who blame employers for every problem imaginable. They aren't creating enough jobs, the jobs they are creating aren't good enough, employers stole our lunch money, etc.
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