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Old 12-06-2013, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Gorgeous Scotland
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Nkosi Sikelel' iAfrika formerly the anthem of defiance now recognized as one of the most beautiful and moving national anthems, a song that I think is most appropriate to acknowledge the passing of Nelson "Mandiba" Mandela



Soweto Gospel Choir - Nkosi Sikelel (South African National Anthem) - YouTube
I love this song. I've had the tune running through my head all day.
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Old 12-06-2013, 01:51 PM
 
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Mandela was a terrorist, racist and the ONLY sad part of his passing is that he did not die with a burning tire around his neck as he did to so many others. May he rot in the pit of hell painfully and forever. Do your own research rather than letting public school and "mainstream" media do your thinking for you.
I have to disagree, as much as I loathe the lamestream liberal media's tendency to gloss over leftist atrocities.

While he did associate with the evil communists, and so many of his ANC associates *were* out-and-out goons, I can't say Mr. Mandela *ever* became a depraved tyrant, as has Robert Mugabe in Zimbabwe (nee Rhodesia) to the north.

The two decades of South Africa post apartheid have been remarkably restrained, all things considered. While the individual crime rate did soar and there has a been a general order break down in so much of the RSA, state sponsored theft and reprisals have not happened, at least not yet.

Mr. Mandela was remarkably restrained in that respect.
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Old 12-06-2013, 01:55 PM
 
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So you're saying that 50 years of legalized Apartheid had no impact on what the country has become? Paying what were essentially "slave wages" enabled the Apartheid governments to build the solid infrastructure at a huge cost to minorities, both socially and economically.
Uh, sorry, but no. People regularly came to work in South Africa from neighboring African countries, even in the apartheid discrimination era, because the wages were much better.

As wrong as apartheid was, the Marxism of the ANC was, and if it is followed further will be, far more disastrous.

Mr. Mandela's restraint in that regard is remarkable. His greatness came despite the ANC, not because of it.
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Old 12-06-2013, 02:07 PM
 
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Mandela was a terrorist, racist and the ONLY sad part of his passing is that he did not die with a burning tire around his neck as he did to so many others. May he rot in the pit of hell painfully and forever. Do your own research rather than letting public school and "mainstream" media do your thinking for you.
If Mandela is considered a terrorist, then the same could be said about others, such as Washington. It took a revolution to form the USA. And it was not Nelson who called for the "necklacing". That was his ex-wife who did that. If Mandela is a terrorist, then the same can be said for the apartheid regime that terrorized Blacks and made it a dictatorship for Blacks.
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Old 12-06-2013, 02:08 PM
 
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Anyone besides me find recognize the dark irony of so-called freedom lovers who use economic development as the yardstick for measuring liberty.
As opposed to the saps and dupes of the Left, who think nations where all are equally *enslaved* (in reality, of course, the Party apparatchiks always are "more equal than others") are somehow beyond any criticism, and even superior to those of us who deal with the inherent inequality of freedom.

All that said, Mandela, like Jomo Kenyatta in Kenya, turned out to be remarkably restrained.

Will his successors move further towards "Truth and Reconciliation", or will they, like so much of the rest of sorry Africa, move toward tyranny and bankrupt socialism? The jury is still out....
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Old 12-06-2013, 02:10 PM
 
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Thank you. The Left's new hipster anti-Semitism and planned Holocaust 2.0 are as dishonest as they are disgusting.
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Old 12-06-2013, 02:15 PM
 
Location: Hanau, Germany
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Don't confuse the CD crowd with facts, MM. They know what they know. I agree with you. Forty five years ago I got paid $110 a month to fight communists. Why should I mourn one now?
...and I thought people like you are just exaggerated caricatures of Americans in the german media.
Now I'm finally convinced of the contrary.
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Old 12-06-2013, 02:28 PM
 
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If it has to be spelled out for you, you'll never understand.

So, who are your heroes? Do you have any?
Only locally, people I know and have interacted with on a regular basis. To worship someone who had no direct effect on my life and who I never met, seems silly.

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Probably not black or ever had the **** kicked out of him just for being black, or having t kiss the *** of the small minority of white people who ruled his country. Or maybe never had his child gunned down by these racist white people?

Just a guess.
Good guess. But then I'd guess that most of the Caucasian Americans would also fall into this group. What's your point?
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Old 12-06-2013, 02:32 PM
 
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Oh, I think "lowbrow" is quite accurate. I had to look up Paul Walker to see who he was only to discover he was a mere actor. For those of us who are old enough to remember apartheid and Mandela's imprisonment, he was so much more than some Hollywood creation.
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I think one and the same. If you're "lowbrow" you will hold celebrities in higher esteem than people who have struggled and achieved and suffered for what they believe. In fact, that could be a handy litmus test.
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I guess we have different types of FB friends and many of mine are older. I saw 3 or 4 posts about Paul Walker, and many, many posts about Mandela/Madiba. He was greatly admired and we are very sad.
Well, in the last 20 hours, there have been more people on facebook paying their respects to Mandela. That has been encouraging to see. However, it still saddens me that there are people who hold celebrities in higher esteem than people who have fought for important things.

I was born in 1986, and most people I know were born around that time as well. Many who posted about Madiba are mainly college educated, female, and there were many who were not from the USA.
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Old 12-06-2013, 02:37 PM
 
Location: Waiting for a streetcar
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...and I thought people like you are just exaggerated caricatures of Americans in the german media. Now I'm finally convinced of the contrary.
Yes, Virginia, there is such a thing as vermin.
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