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Because you commented on the picture as though he was smiling about what he did to the dogs, when really it was a picture of him on a football field. Him smiling on a football field, has nothing to do with the dog on the left.
So a dog can be "cured" or rehabilitated but not a person from torturing animals?
A dog that is rehabilitated or "cured" is rehabilitated from being abused. They have been taught to fear, fight and attack for their own survival. I do not believe that any dog fighter was forced into dog fighting due to abuse or as a means of their very own physical survival. They do it for profit and because they take joy from it, in no way the same situation. That being said, not all dogs can be rehabilitated as was true with Vick's animals, but they were forced into their behavior, they did not choose it. You do realize that dogs that won't fight are killed by vicious means; being hung or beaten to death. Vick and other dog fighters choose to do this.
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A dog that is rehabilitated or "cured" is rehabilitated from being abused. They have been taught to fear, fight and attack for their own survival. I do not believe that any dog fighter was forced into dog fighting due to abuse or as a means of their very own physical survival. They do it for profit and because they take joy from it, in no way the same situation. That being said, not all dogs can be rehabilitated as was true with Vick's animals, but they were forced into their behavior, they did not choose it. You do realize that dogs that won't fight are killed by vicious means; being hung or beaten to death. Vick and other dog fighters choose to do this.
Well I hope you're perfect and have never done anything wrong ever, then.
never have I said that.... because I am FAR from perfect......
but I have never deliberately and purposefully brutalized and murdered a creature weaker than I am .... I have always lived by the motto of treat others how you wish to be treated and it has served me well.....
Well I hope you're perfect and have never done anything wrong ever, then.
Everyone has done something "wrong", but all "wrongs" do not carry the same weight. Lying, stealing, spreading false information, jealousy; all of these are forgiven and relationships/people redeemable. One could not be a parent and not agree that making a wrong choice is part of the learning curve to some extent. Killing, torturing and maiming for pleasure and profit are in no way in the same category. There are some acts that are not redeemable because they cross the line of humanity's test. "Humanity's true moral test, its fundamental test...consists of its attitude towards those who are at its mercy: animals." -Milan Kundera
I would add all those who are at their mercy including children and other vulnerable beings. The acts of rapists, child abusers, sociopaths and others have crossed the line of being redeemed, because their acts betray within them a total lack of empathy, the use of cruelty to gain empowerment, and excitement seeking through abuse, pain and death.
never have I said that.... because I am FAR from perfect......
but I have never deliberately and purposefully brutalized and murdered a creature weaker than I am .... I have always lived by the motto of treat others how you wish to be treated and it has served me well.....
Interesting.
By that logic, wouldn't you accept an individual attempting to make amends for their mistake? Surely, people (including ourselves) shouldn't be written off for eternity due to our fallible actions (something of an old adage surrounding forgiveness and redemption.) I've never tortured and killed an animal, but I'm sure I've done something that can be seen as egregious in someone else's eyes (I'm a pro-choice dog-owner that enjoys eating meat lol.) I don't understand how someone could write off an individual forever. It sounds like many people are voicing their thoughts from an emotional place, rather than a reasonable one.
In my opinion, Vick has made amends for his dues. In fact, I would say he has probably paid more (in terms of time lost, money, etc) than many of his NFL peers who have committed more heinous crimes (like DUI manslaughter) and gotten away on simply probation and minimal jail time.
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never have I said that.... because I am FAR from perfect......
but I have never deliberately and purposefully brutalized and murdered a creature weaker than I am .... I have always lived by the motto of treat others how you wish to be treated and it has served me well.....
Have you ever killed a roach or an ant in your life? If yes, then what I have bolded is not true.
I will sum this whole thread up in one statement: If you do not think that Raleigh made a good choice by selecting Vick to be a keynote speaker, than you can show your disapproval by NOT buying a ticket. If you don't think Vick has atoned for his crimes, do NOT buy a ticket. If you think Vick is a fowl human being, do NOT buy a ticket. I think it is that simple.
Here are links on the recent passing of Georgia and Lucas, two of the more famous Vick dogs. The court order said Lucas could never be adopted, yet his behavior after arriving at Best Friends showed his true nature.
By that logic, wouldn't you accept an individual attempting to make amends for their mistake? Surely, people (including ourselves) shouldn't be written off for eternity due to our fallible actions (something of an old adage surrounding forgiveness and redemption.) I've never tortured and killed an animal, but I'm sure we've all done something that can be seen as egregious in someone else's eyes (I do enjoy meat lol.) I don't understand how someone could write off an individual forever.
In my opinion, Vick has made amends for his dues. In fact, I would say he has probably paid more (in terms of time lost, money, etc) than many of his NFL peers who committed more heinous crimes (like manslaughter) and got away on probation.
Therein lies the the the sea that divides us. Yes I am fallible, but being fallible does not mean you have a dog fighting business from 2001- 2007, that you name your business "Bad Newz Kennel" and house and train over 50 dogs and stage dog fights. That dogs were methodically tested for fighting ability and poor performers executed by shooting, electrocuting, drowning and hanging. Michael Vick actually became a registered dog breeder and set up up a fence so their activities could not be seen. They burned car axles with heavy chains to secure the dogs across the property. They trained the fighting dogs with ones that had been pets, thinking "it was funny to watch the pit bull dogs belonging to Bad Newz Kennels injure or kill the other dogs." Losing dogs were frequently left to die in the pit or executed while gambling purses were frequently in the thousands of dollars. One female dog with Vick's okay was executed by wetting her down with water then electrocuting her. This went on for six years before the ring was caught. Vick did not do this for money, he was making in the millions, he did it for pleasure. Fallible- capable of making a mistake. Mistake- to understand something incorrectly, to identify something or someone incorrectly, to make a wrong judgement. This was not a mistake or a blunder, it was a thought out operation that ran for six years. Mutilating, killing with intent, making money out if torture is not a blunder, it is a choice!!!! And when you try to hide your choices you know they are wrong. So the reason people don't see him as a hero is because he chose to torture, maim and kill innocent beings for fun. For me and many others he crossed a line with his choices. I don't care how much he makes, I don't care that he plays football, he is due his life, but he is not due a hero status ever.
Cretin Michael Vick, just like his supporters, will never admit wrongdoing or barbarism. Vick might have publicly mumbled some words, but in his heart, he sees nothing wrong with what he did.
You'all are beating a dead horse.
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