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Old 03-14-2014, 08:31 AM
 
Location: Adelaide,SA,Australia
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Will Russia, Syria, Iran, North Korea and China form an alliance and ignite an international nuclear/chemical conflict that devastates the earth?

Or at least devastates Europe, Middle East and the oceans?
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Old 03-16-2014, 01:18 AM
 
Location: SoCal
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1. Will Russia, Syria, Iran, North Korea and China form an alliance

2. and ignite an international nuclear/chemical conflict that devastates the earth?

3. Or at least devastates Europe, Middle East and the oceans?
1. They arguably already created such an alliance -- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shangh...n_Organisation

2. No. Just No.

3. No.
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Old 03-16-2014, 06:49 AM
 
Location: Eindhoven, Netherlands
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and Pakistan?
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Old 03-16-2014, 07:49 AM
 
Location: Kennedy Heights, Ohio. USA
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Each nation has its own national interests it is looking out for. I think Iran has been so successfully economically isolated by the World led by the USA is because Russia and Iran are competitors in the international natural gas market. Russia and China were willing to vote for economic sanctions against Iran as members of the UN Security for different reasons of national interests. By shutting Iran out of the European natural gas markets Russia benefited greatly financially. Eventually the natural gas producing nations will form a Cartel to manipulate supply for the purpose of keeping prices at a point optimally financially beneficially for the gas producing nations similar to the way of the oil cartel OPEC. China wants to acquire as much natural resources for its economy as possible without provoking tariffs on its exports to the USA. It is in China's best economical interests to be seen as cooperative in the World's affairs as not to provoke political antagonism from the United States. I think these nations are trying to form an currency slash economical alliance as to bypass the diplomatic financial might and influence the USA possesses due to the dollar's position in the world's currency market as the world's reserve currency in which oil is purchased in the international market.

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Old 03-16-2014, 08:24 AM
 
Location: New York City
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Russia and China support places like Syria, Iran and North Korea for their own strategic (and often cynical) reasons. They’re opportunistic relationships of convenience—certainly not strong enough to merit an alliance. There’s no value in allying themselves with impoverished and inherently unstable pariah states.

China wants stability, the unalterable precedent of the status quo (no regime change, no popular uprisings, complete existing territorial integrity), and continued economic development. Which, interestingly, is why it didn’t support Russia in the recent UN vote over Crimea. It’s very uncomfortable with the precedent altering international borders.

Russia wants stability for the current regime, but doesn’t seem at all interested in economic development. On the contrary, it seems intent on destroying its economy for nationalistic ends.

The Soviets lost the Cold War because they simply couldn’t afford it any more. China learned this lesson; Russia did not. China and Russia are natural rivals, not allies.
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Old 03-16-2014, 08:50 AM
 
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Russia and China support places like Syria, Iran and North Korea for their own strategic (and often cynical) reasons. They’re opportunistic relationships of convenience—certainly not strong enough to merit an alliance. There’s no value in allying themselves with impoverished and inherently unstable pariah states.

China wants stability, the unalterable precedent of the status quo (no regime change, no popular uprisings, complete existing territorial integrity), and continued economic development. Which, interestingly, is why it didn’t support Russia in the recent UN vote over Crimea. It’s very uncomfortable with the precedent altering international borders.

Russia wants stability for the current regime, but doesn’t seem at all interested in economic development. On the contrary, it seems intent on destroying its economy for nationalistic ends.

The Soviets lost the Cold War because they simply couldn’t afford it any more. China learned this lesson; Russia did not. China and Russia are natural rivals, not allies.
Agree so much. China has a strong strain of capitalism, piracy, and merchantism running through its history. Stability supports commerce. Russia is about power. Can't see them allying unless it is in their individual interests.
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Old 03-16-2014, 09:01 AM
 
Location: Kennedy Heights, Ohio. USA
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Russia and China support places like Syria, Iran and North Korea for their own strategic (and often cynical) reasons. They’re opportunistic relationships of convenience—certainly not strong enough to merit an alliance. There’s no value in allying themselves with impoverished and inherently unstable pariah states.

China wants stability, the unalterable precedent of the status quo (no regime change, no popular uprisings, complete existing territorial integrity), and continued economic development. Which, interestingly, is why it didn’t support Russia in the recent UN vote over Crimea. It’s very uncomfortable with the precedent altering international borders.

Russia wants stability for the current regime, but doesn’t seem at all interested in economic development. On the contrary, it seems intent on destroying its economy for nationalistic ends.

The Soviets lost the Cold War because they simply couldn’t afford it any more. China learned this lesson; Russia did not. China and Russia are natural rivals, not allies.
I think Russia still has a bitter taste in its mouth after the impoverishment it went through as result of trying to transition too fast into a free market capitalist economic system. China on the other hand had a clear economic plan in that it would build it's infrastructure as to support a massive industrial manufacturing export economy in which it could leverage its massive labor market to undercut costs and prices of other nations in the global market to gain global dominance. China does not have a democratically elected government but is led by a one party (in name only communist) dictatorship so they can use forced labor and severe low wage sweatshops and not worry about the societal repercussions as much as Russia has to. Russia has to build its economy more on the lines similar to Germany and the Scandinavian countries in order for it to achieve economic success.
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Old 03-17-2014, 04:41 PM
 
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They have been allied before. It's a shame that Americans no longer are taught much history or believe president can make all kinds if threats and nothing could possibly go wrong.
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Old 03-17-2014, 04:52 PM
 
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Will Russia, Syria, Iran, North Korea and China form an alliance and ignite an international nuclear/chemical conflict that devastates the earth?

Or at least devastates Europe, Middle East and the oceans?
What would be the point in starting a random nuclear conflict?
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